Amazon’s surveillance camera maker Ring announced a partnership on Thursday with Flock, a maker of AI-powered surveillance cameras that share footage with law enforcement.Amazon’s surveillance camera maker Ring announced a partnership on Thursday with Flock, a maker of AI-powered surveillance cameras that share footage with law enforcement.
So, you put the cameras on your house to feel safe. But you don't own the footage. Amazon owns the footage and then they decide to partner with the cameras that are at all the traffic lights and sell the footage to the police, and now you live in a surveillance state.
Just wait till Apple and Google start selling access to your phones...
Ring has long had a poor track record with keeping customers’ videos safe and secure. In 2023, the FTC ordered the company to pay $5.8 million over claims that employees and contractors had unrestricted access to customers’ videos for years.
I'm so mad about this I hope they have opt out
don't own a ring?
I tried to make this point to my brother (who recently installed some ring stuff): it's like inviting someone else to just use your webcam whenever they like. Just don't use it.
Its convenience is nice but i've lost patience. I really want PoE cameras and should have just gone with that first. https://blog.ring.com/about-ring/ring-launches-community-requests-a-new-way-to-help-your-community/ It does say its onyl done when you agree
I helped my buddy set up a network of 16 PoE cams in his warehouse, iirc they were AvaEye, connecting into an NVR that he could remote into from his mac and phone. It was super easy to setup.
UniFy seems to have a nice stack for this, although not 100% sure about privacy aspects for their camera setup...
What's the killer feature that they need so much centralization for?
stupid easy convenience?
These things are all over my neighborhood. Even if I try to avoid them, they capture my stride, probably posture, maybe face. I don't like the world they are building.
If there is no killer feature then we can beat them
I'm glad for your optimism. It's easy to feel the opposite, and I need the reminders.
Just gotta want to do it, and be mindful of not solving all problems at once. That is what truly is standing in the way of competing with Amazon and Google home automation platforms.
This is why the other day I was asking if anyone had been using those NVMe AI extension chips, because that's the dream, right? Taking a good model that runs on-device that can help with automation, voice recognition and synthesis; like the Echo used to have and this was why some people would buy that instead of the Google crap: privacy preservation. Like the iPhone used to have and why people would with much more ease use Apple on-device AI than Google cloud AI.
But now that both Amazon and Apple have succumbed to centralized processing, there's a pretty gap in the market for non-invasive tech. Only Apple is still trying to not completely alienate their customers (but they could have simply invested in making their on-device NLP chips faster and more energy efficient, now they're tied to their central server processing and I doubt that they'll be investing in reversing that)
Does that make sense? There is no security and confidentiality
could this event be a conspiracy to make people get more Rings?
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Amazon doesnt just own the footage they own the incentives to monetize it turning passive homeowners into unwitting data brokers for cops and advertisers. Add Flocks AI license plate trackers and youve got a feedback loop where your driveway cam feeds traffic cams which circle back to profile you. The FTC fine was a slap on the wrist 5.8 million is chump change against billions in Ring revenue. Solution for the paranoid opt out early or build your own mesh network of open source cams that keep data local. Privacy isnt dead its just subscription based now.
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