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1218 sats \ 18 comments \ @plebpoet 3h AskSN

I want to hear your thoughts about this recent announcement for the Neo Home robot by 1X: #1268126

I know there's a new paradigm shift every other day, but I want to spend some time on this question because I can't come up with my own opinion on it. My bias is against machines in the image of me. But Neo, I dunno, Neo looks pretty cool.

Argument against If my friend purchased their Neo home subscription, at the start my concern would be, whose eyes are you bringing into your home and what are they learning about you? But isn't that superfluous, because what could be novel info that the computer or phone isn't already recording? That's I guess the main thing for me: privacy. But my argument is weak sauce, can anyone eleborate?

Argument for The compelling piece of Neo's presentation is demonstrated in its ability to be a companion for an older person. I can think down that road and it seems positive for a lot of people.

What do you think??

I can hardly think about this. Is there a psyop happening? Why are my thoughts so clouded?

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100 sats \ 2 replies \ @justin_shocknet 2h

Is there a psyop happening? Why are my thoughts so clouded?

Industrial indirection.

These things aren't even close to utility in a domestic setting, but the incentives of companies making them are to paint a picture that garners investment and keeps the narrative alive that they help the forgotten person.

Reality is these things are 10+ years away from having an impact in the lives of average people, the gap between now and then is increased technocratic power, a "J-Curve" where they make things worse for the average person before they can begin to make them better. There will likely be a lot of lawfare during that time too as industry consolidates.

There's also an innate fear these companies need to front run, not just from a privacy standpoint, but when the movie iRobot starts trending again.

We see a bit of it already, but one of the next great political and cultural wars will have people picking a side as either a Luddite or a Technocrat.

May not be a top-down psyop yet, but that's coming and your intuition knows it.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 2h

incentives of companies making them are to paint a picture that garners investment

In a fiat-fueled, Cantillonized society, this is where energy and talent gets directed.

When you see how much economic activity is built on vague promises of future value rather than real value right now, you see what easy money is doing to our society.

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @justin_shocknet 2h

Maybe to some degree, but I don't think its notable. If it were the government printing money to invest in vaporware at the expense of actual innovation you could make a stronger case for that, but that's not what this is. This isn't the defense or pharma complex laundering government funding back to itself.

The history of technological and venture investment is pretty consistent back to hard money times. If anything, a vision would have to be shilled even harder then and on even loftier promises to separate investors from their money. This didn't equate to less vaporware and failure. In most cases it was the government itself that had to invest in technology, usually with defense as the only justification, and the rate of innovation and distribution of its benefits didn't increase until that decentralized.

A truly efficient economy would mean everyone is working with their own specific knowledge on asymmetric solutions, or retired, while menial tasks are automated away. A world where everyone is a solo founder is a better than one than where everyone is a wage slave. Imagine what speculative things you could work to improve your life and the lives of others if your hard money savings negated the need to chase a soft-money paycheck just to maintain your current lifestyle.

36 sats \ 6 replies \ @ek 3h

Wow, wait, we're already at humanoid robots for home?

I'm still warming up to the vacuum cleaner robots.

what could be novel info that the computer or phone isn't already recording?

Good question, I need to noodle on that

I can think down that road and it seems positive for a lot of people.

I think it will be positive if it's "robot instead of nothing" and not "robot instead of human."

74 sats \ 2 replies \ @SimpleStacker 3h

Wow, wait, we're already at humanoid robots for home?

It's remote controlled, not autonomous. I feel like that got lost in a lot of the hype...

https://www.wsj.com/tech/personal-tech/i-tried-the-robot-thats-coming-to-live-with-you-its-still-part-human-68515d44?st=dYyrpg&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @plebpoet OP 3h

yes thanks for bringing this up can see how it gets lost in the hype for sure

in the ad piece I watched, they market this as a helpful human from 1x who can add even more advanced features for you

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @BeeRye 2h

i guess its like when rich people had/have servants in their houses...except now it'll be some person in a third world country remotely operating your maid / butler and the bot will be recording every bit of telemetry imaginable your family produces and selling it off.

i'll pass, self-hosted robots or gfy

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @plebpoet OP 3h

Wow, wait, we're already at humanoid robots for home?

yes, did you see this one? what do you think? looks cool right?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 3h

looks cool right?

looks like I’m getting old

I don’t even trust printers (remember my joke about shooting one?), so I’m not sure I could ever trust a robot like that

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @plebpoet OP 3h

well sure, but mine wasn't a question of trust, but aesthetics. still i appreciate how you feel

i mean the face is reduced enough in complexity to make me feel that it is a creature separate from me

89 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 3h

No. I'm not willing to do an Alexa or a Ring camera and I assume that robots will vacuum up even more data and recordings. So I'm strongly against introducing such surveillance into my home. Phones are bad enough.

60 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 2h

If it had no wide network access, yes.

The only arguments I'd otherwise make against it:

might be physically unsafe
might make me dependent/lazy/weak even indirectly

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @DannyM 2h

for full robots, if it runs software that I can check and modify and it doesn't have any server whatsoever, then I may consider it. what exists now, no way.

for neo, I would consider buying it for my parents once they get old, but the same requirements apply

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @TNStacker 16m

I love my Shark Vac/Mop!!!

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @stack_harder 3h

for a bit of cleaning, no, but ask again when the Neo Pleasure Bot 9000 is released

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @openyoureyes 1h

This is unitree G1 not the pleasure bot. Whistlindiesel tested it. https://youtube.com/watch?v=zBCu8HmXoRo

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 3h

When things are a mixed bag, they will be net positive for some and net negative for others.

For as long as I'm physically capable, I prefer to do physical things for myself. Obviously, that's within certain parameters. We have a washing machine and dishwasher and I don't hand pump the water.

As of now though, I don't have a compelling use case for it and would prefer to wait for credible privacy/sovereignty improvements before bringing more neat tech into my life.

The incident that really turned me off from a lot of the new in-home tech was when people's smart thermometers were being controlled remotely to prevent AC use, so I'm more concerned about who has control over these devices than I am about privacy.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 3h

Maybe, but it couldn’t get outta the kitchen! Haha