source: bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/128113/how-well-does-ark-scale-bitcoin-payments
I am not an expert here but it is my understanding that making a payment with ark means at least creating a vtxo - potentially destroying several. If I understand correctly the liquidity requirements of the ASP hold until vtxo expiry and not until it is spent?
- How much liquidity - for how long -does the ASP have to provide to execute this?
- What happens if two ark users send back and forth small payments?
- Are the liquidity requirements of the asp proportional to the payment volume of its users within the supported timelock of the vtxos?
What I am really asking is: How far can Ark - when being used for Bitcoin payments - scale?
I'm not politically or economically involved, but having read the Ark research paper (Ark: A UTXO-based Transaction Batching Protocol by Marco Argentieri, Zeta Avarikioti, Andrew Camilleri, Pim Keer, and Matteo Maffe) I found it rather sane, but I'm not an bitcoin expert, and also cannot vouch for the congruence between that paper and Arklabs's implementation. I have since then also seen examinations and projections of quantities related to the questions posed. Haven't really bookmarked those as I mostly looked at it motivated by curiosity. Running an ASP is not something I aim for yet. But finding insight-giving analyses ought be doable.
Don't eve knew such thing existed! docs.arklabs.xyz/ark.pdf thanks
Will not. Because the whole interaction with the rest of the world is through LN.
Ark's wrong assumption is that people will just drop the whole LN and use Ark.
That will never happen.
That means Ark will be just a niche feature used by such poor users that cannot open a damn LN channel.
I keep my view on Ark:
and also
We are overcomplicate it with Ark. We are still didn't explored all the beauty of LN. For example I do not see many people using 0-conf channels...
That's what usually middlemen do, no? Take over the complexity to sell simplicity in the other end.
I'm still learning about it, I was surprised to see Rene question on stackexchange... responded by himself using a LLM 17min later. stackexchange dying and not sure why he posted there.
They also dumbing down people...
Bitcoin need strong, wise, intelligent people, not dumb tiktokers...
I don't give a shit if billions of people are not capable to use Bitcoin. I care to see more people with brains using Bitcoin.
BITCOIN IS A NATURAL SELECTION. Only for the brave.
Gave me chills.
Fully agree!
Yeah, I stopped reading stackexchange some time ago when they start filling it with AI bots crap.
Disclaimer: The following answer was created with the help of an LLM - though I checked and verfied it to the best of my ability
How Ark spending actually pulls on ASP liquidityHow Ark spending actually pulls on ASP liquidity
“At least one vTXO created, potentially destroying several”—what that implies“At least one vTXO created, potentially destroying several”—what that implies
Yes. A single payment typically:
How much liquidity—and for how long?How much liquidity—and for how long?
A practical mental model:
What if two Ark users ping-pong lots of tiny payments?What if two Ark users ping-pong lots of tiny payments?
Is ASP liquidity proportional to user payment volume?Is ASP liquidity proportional to user payment volume?
TL;DR answerTL;DR answer