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i was wondering when jb was going to blow.
i've been in a wait-and-see mode with nostr because it got incredibly top heavy once dorsey dragged all the podcaster/influencer/grifters into it.
protocols are fragile things especially when they lack self-structuring incentives. the last thing you want to do is let otherwise talentless people with high political-IQs deploy the incentives.
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This isn't really a response to your comment, so much as the thoughts it inspired in me.
I wish I had a good framework in my mind for understanding all this. For instance, Shocknet's post (#1275977) makes a good point about Ark that I had not considered before (we talk about Ark - the protocol - like we talk about Lightning - the network - but Ark - the network - is a closed network while LN is open. Maybe even: the equivalent to joining the Lightning Network and opening a channel in Ark is starting your own ASP) and clearly this is an important difference.
Does it mean we shouldn't use Ark? or that we should talk about it differently?
Nostr feels open like LN, but the way primal runs its caching server...doesn't sound as open. Does it mean one should switch to clients that are more "true" to the original nostr idea, or just that we should use different language to talk about what using nostr via primal is?
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i don't have an answer, but there's a critical difference between nostr/primal and ln/ark in that there's direct incentives for lightning even if ark exists. direct protocol incentives are fundamentally new - lightning has them, nostr doesn't.
the history of protocols without direct incentives is that they get coopted and centralized; the coopters extract all the goodwill of the protocol base, fork off and then abandon the protocol, leaving it in shambles.
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In fairness to Primal they have no real competition, I mostly use Primal because everything else is worse. Amtheyst I use on mobile, but I have to switch between them sometimes because each have separate issues.
Caching/indexing is a necessity, strfry is the only relay that works at any meaningful scale and it can only do that because its a very simple K:V database. The trade-off with that is its impossible to render a modern UI with simple queries, so clients directly connecting to it get bloated and paradoxically DoS it.
I've got my own nostr app (bxrd) in the hopper I tinker with from time to time but its not a priority.
Nostr is still more open than Ark, its literally just json and websockets, any app can exfil data from Primal's relays and you can DM primal users without a trusted swap lol
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He blocked me on twitter years ago but nice to finally see some alignment
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