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When I was working from PlebLab, I would regularly get a coffee and a daily dose of culture shock from the Capital One downstairs, since there would always be the same guy who smiled at me and asked me how my day was going, and what I would get today, etc.
It was nice the first few times, but when I noticed he always did that, it started to feel weird and I got uncomfortable. For sure he doesn't really care about my day or what I'm going to get, just like I don't really care about his day. For sure he gets paid to do this, right? For sure he's anxious that he'll get fired or something if he's not nice enough.
His smile would also always have something off about it. And sometimes I would even be annoyed, because all I want is to get a damn coffee and not feel forced to smile back at someone, because they are trying really hard to be nice to me without reading the room my face first. But since I don't want to be rude to people who are trying really hard to be nice to me, I would also try really hard to be nice and smile back, secretly hoping he could tell that this was a fake smile.
This TED talk finally validated my feelings ... :
So often these kinds of interactions that take the form of what I'll call "anxious niceness," they involve a lot of compliments, telling people what they do well in a very general, non-specific way. But a lot of my work actually looks at what's it like to be on the receiving end of these types of interactions. How do you feel when you interact with someone over and over again who's giving off these kinds of brittle smiles?
shows examples for such facial expressions
After a lifetime of interacting with someone who engages in anxious niceness, what we find is that most people on the receiving end are racial minorities. They are disadvantaged group members, they are the type of people that we are worried about appearing prejudiced in front of, and that anxiety is regulated by being over-the-top nice to these folks. We also find that these individuals tend to be more synchronized to and attentive to the how-we-say-it piece, than the what-we-say part.
So in one study, we had black and white Americans interact with each other in a cross-race interaction, and we brought them into the lab and we measured the physiology of both partners. What this allowed us to do is capture the degree to which people stress. Those under-the-skin responses can actually be caught by their partners. And what we expected to find is that the black participants would become more synchronized physiologically to those whites. They'd be more attuned to those non-verbal signals of anxiety.
And that's exactly what we found. The more anxious those white participants appeared, the more they fidgeted, the more they avoided eye contact, even the higher their cortisol reactivity, indicating some real deep under-the-skin stress response, the more those black participants became linked up to them over time. And I think this finding is a little bit terrifying.
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Now often what we find is the type of feedback that people are actually getting isn't always super direct. Sometimes it's a little bit patronizing.
So you could probably see where I'm going with this. Having over-the-top positive nice feedback can harm your performance, it can make it very difficult for you to climb up, difficult to know where you stand, what you should do better, what you should stop doing, but can also damage people in ways that we often don't think about. It can affect their reputations outside of the interaction context.
So imagine the case that you're one of these people who loves giving this general, nice feedback, and you have someone who works for you, and a recruiter calls, maybe a past employee, or someone asks you for a letter of recommendation, the kinds of things you're going to put are going to be like, "They're a real team player," "They have great energy at work!," generic things. Yes, they're nice, but they are not very telling about what that person is really like.
And what we find is that the readers of these things, at best, think to themselves, "Wow, they must not really know this person at all. I don't even know what this means." At worst, they think to themselves, "Well, they probably have some real opinions. They're just afraid to share them." So these kinds of general positive feedback tend to actually harm people's reputation when they're not backed up with real data.
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What I've found is that for every one person who loves this kind of general, generic, nice feedback, there's another person who feels like it's lazy, who feels like it's not helpful. And I actually learned this lesson the hard way from one of my students recently. She was giving a practice talk in my lab, and she spent weeks and weeks preparing it, probably harder than anyone else I'd ever seen on preparing a talk like this.
And then she went and gave it, and she came back and I said, "How did the talk go? Did it go well?" She said, "It was terrible. It was horrible. It was the worst experience." I said, "Well, what happened?" And she said, "All I got were a bunch of 'Great jobs', 'That was interesting' and then some clap emojis from the people on Zoom. Not a single person asked a tough question," she said.
And I had this moment where I realized that positive feedback can come across as lazy feedback. It can come across as disengaged feedback.
... but also reminded me that I might be part of a patronized, racial minority, because I'm not white, which I tend to forget, lol. It also reminded me that I'm really happy to be not white, so I only have to deal with overly sensitive black people without being white myself.

Btw, while writing this, I learned that apparently, you're supposed to capitalize black but not white for racial reasons, wtf, lol:
I refuse to do this, which probably nobody will care about, because I'm not white, ha!
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For sure he gets paid to do this, right?
WTF! Wait, he actually gets paid for that? That’s a real job in the States?
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22 sats \ 19 replies \ @ek OP 12h
I don't know. I guess?
There was also always someone in HEB at the entrance, just smiling at me and asking me how I was doing. At least I couldn't tell what else their purpose was.
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Greeters are a thing. They often serve a purpose of discouraging shoplifting
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50 sats \ 7 replies \ @ek OP 10h
interesting
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Did you ever go to Walmart in your time in the US?
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50 sats \ 5 replies \ @ek OP 10h
Yes
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They’re well known for having greeters too. They also have become receipt spot-checkers at times
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50 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek OP 10h
Ohh, mhh, don't remember a greeter there. Only remember that one time someone did check my receipt and bag at the exit.
I also remember that I was disappointed that I didn't get the "Walmart experience" they are known for. Noticed no crazy people :(
Maybe it is! I don’t know if it’s like that in every store, but in Japan that’s a real thing, employees are required to smile at customers or they risk getting fired. It’s not exactly a law, but there are companies that actually have that written in their code of conduct.
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22 sats \ 8 replies \ @ek OP 11h
Yeah, as an Asian myself, I think Asians are really good at fake niceness. Maybe we pioneered it, lol
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Asian from India, right?
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22 sats \ 4 replies \ @ek OP 10h
Yes, my parents are from there, but I was born and grew up in Germany.
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I remember that, I think it was in a convo about funerals in India with CoinReporter.
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27 sats \ 2 replies \ @ek OP 10h
I will pay @plebpoet to include this in the next SNZ
0 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek OP 10h
This fake niceness might come from more authoritarian regimes and upbringing in Asia. 🤔
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allegedly they have it in the south eastern US as well.
"Southern Hospitality" is the term for a kind of saccharine or superficial politeness to your face, sometimes coupled with frankness when gossiping in your absence
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Why is race important in this?
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100 sats \ 11 replies \ @ek OP 11h
Doesn't this explain it?
type of people that we are worried about appearing prejudiced in front of
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120 sats \ 10 replies \ @optimism 10h
No, I don't think it explains much, at all. I think it explains something about the speaker's insecurities. I think that if race is on your mind a lot, that your anxieties will be about race. But if you have some other trauma, then that will be what your anxieties will be about. So I don't think that this has anything to do with race, but with insecurity.
All people of all races have insecurities.
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There's a reason people who aren't the majority race often have race top of mind.
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Okay, I'll bite. What's the reason?
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Maybe you should ask someone who's experienced it.
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20 sats \ 6 replies \ @optimism 9h
I have. So I can ask myself.
But isn't there also a reason why religious minorities often have that? Cultural? Gender? Sexual?
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Sure. It's useful to consider the difference when the minority status is noticeable only after conversation and intimate contact (many religious ones; sexual ones; cultural ones) vs when it's immediately noticeable to anyone in visual range, but any difference can lead to different affordances in interaction.
44 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 10h
I find it's a cultural nuance. In Thailand or Bali it's so common to smile and act friendly. Then in other places if you smile like that they think you're a crazy person.
If you don't smile or use niceties in the west you'd better make sure that you have an amazing product or service. Customers won't come back otherwise.
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be good but not that good
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 9h
Do you think this phenomenon is only in the US? I certainly recognize it as widespread thing here. I'm not as well versed at the rest of the world.
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25 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek OP 8h
I don’t know. I at least haven’t noticed this in Europe.
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