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I mean I wont lie I do think Biden won to be frank.... that being said I dont have a great answer beyond what the internal community thinks and how they feel.

Venezuelans did not like him and voted against him. When they had tried to protest they were shot and arrested.

Though as someone who isnt a fan of us playing world police I feel like this was a unique circumstance. Not saying its right but the specific things lined up like this being in Americas back yard.

Look, are Venezuelans better off today than yesterday? Almost certainly. But for us in the US, do we really believe that we live under some semblance of a constitutional government? Congressional War Powers is now a complete farce.

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It is pretty wild to look at our government. Something I am not sure of but since it has been mentioned is what was done under Monroe when it came to his doctrine.... I honestly dont have any idea on what all was done back then off the top of my head so has the creep been going on since then?

Its clear that 9/11 has forever changed how military action is done but between the revolutionary war and WWII what was the way it was done.

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Good question. I don't think most of Westward Expansion came under formal war declarations, for instance, and somehow that all came under US control.

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I do want to say to you and @siggy47 I appreciate this conversation! It really makes you think and look not only at what we have done now but historically and what the Constitution stated.... it just blows my mind when I look at it and think about it....

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I guess you can look at it as much more legitimate than the usual CIA regime changes we usually engage in. It was more transparent with a whole elaborate legal pretense.

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Not gunna lie.... its pretty sad that we have to compare what was done to a CIA operation but you are spot on....

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The point isn't whether or not he won, because no one can know for sure. The point is that allowing uncertainty in whether it was legitimate to serve as a justification for removing a leader is a dangerous position (if it were to be applied generally, which obviously it won't be).

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I agree with you. This is something that really only the U.S. could do and escape scott free. If even Europe tried to do this I think there would be hell to pay but because its the US and in the US backyard people/countries are more like... eh

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