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Totally. I am annoyed on many levels the way people talk about Trump in relationship to his eternal soul. Clearly he's lost in both senses. People use him for their own ends and he does the same. Sad in many ways.

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20 sats \ 5 replies \ @kepford 3h

If you think he is a Christian and are aware of the way he communicates about such things I would hope you are praying that someone close to him would speak to him about it. If you are a Christian and understand that people are communicating that Trump is also a Christian should you also be concerned that this is leading people astray from the grace of God and work of Jesus taught by all Christian traditions for 2000 years?

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20 sats \ 4 replies \ @kepford 3h

For those that might misunderstand. I'm not pretending I know the heart or life of Trump or anyone else. I pray that he has put his faith in Jesus and that he is on a path to following Jesus and that all the things I have heard him say are just from ignorance. I take no glee in anyone being outside of the family of God. But it is important for Christians to be clear about such things.

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Yeah, I try to avoid proclaiming that anyone's faith is genuine or not from a distance. That's between them and God, and the people closest to them.

But if they say something that I think is theologically incorrect (as Trump has many times), I don't mind pointing that out either.

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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 2h

Yeah, that's a very responsible and reasonable way to approach this to me as well. In recent years we've seen many celebrities make declarations of faith or had them pushed upon them. Never really like the way it gets handled by many Christians. It has to be incredibly hard to be in the public eye and be walking through such things. None of us like when our motives are questioned or assumed but this happens quite a bit in these situations.

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Thus my earlier question. Is the way Adams approached this valid, or isn't it?

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168 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 1h

I'm not sure how he approached it. If he approached it in sincerity and he surrendered to Christ I would say it is valid. If not, it is not valid. Christians do not believe that it is simply some incantation you recite that "gets you in". Nor the weight of your good vs. evil in this life.

Jesus said,

On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’

Matt 7:22

And the thief on the cross didn't do any good works and yet Christ says he will be with him in paradise.

I would say that based on my very limited knowledge of how Adams approached this that it could be valid or not valid but it is not the way we would recommend for anyone.

If you asked me, how do I get to the store? I need to buy some things before they close. I would give you clear directions. I would tell you the turns to make. I would assume you really wanted to know and it wasn't a hypothetical. After doing this, if you asked me. Well, can I travel to another town first and then go here and there... but eventually come back and drive down the street to the store? I would say yeah... but why? They might be closed by the time you do all that. And I thought you wanted to go to the store before they closed? You are taking a risk there.

If someone really wants to experience Christianity they should ask go to a church. Talk to other Christians. A pastor, or a priest (different names for the same role) and ask them about it. They should pray. They should pick up a Bible.

I'm sure others could answer this better but that's my attempt at it.

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