Here's a thing I knew intellectually could happen at any moment but never prepared for and never intimately understood.
Out of the blue, Revolut froze my bank accountOut of the blue, Revolut froze my bank account
insert DarthCoin commentary, distinctions between ownership and possession, failing bank regulations and flaws of fiat.
You never think it’s going to happen to you — or at all. I should know better than most. For years, I’ve written and spoken about the nature of our modern, permissioned fiat money. And even so, I’m receiving a painful lesson in how modern banks really, really work.
The ironies (plural) in this story are insane. Not two weeks before it happened, I had outlined to be very skeptical grandpa how the banking system works and how account balances aren't money in some meaningful sense.
I have bank accounts in three jurisdictions, and the ability to (more or less) instantly jack into them with pure digital value at the speed of a signing device. Yes, yes, the final value I might receive depends on whatever stupidity the bitcoin market is currently up to (#1416021) but at least I can do it… I could just think of whatever I lose as a transaction cost of upward of 10% (trading fees, transaction costs, BTC price collapse etc #1405015)... But a frozen/confiscated bank account faces tx costs of 100% so whatever?
The most terrifying thing here is that because I have access to bitcoin, I'm not too troubled by this. But imagine if you're a normie, with a single bank account in a single jurisdiction. When they freeze your shit then, you're in big trouble.
The last six months have really outlined to me the virtue of possession (not ownership, not right, not regulation). What you don't really, really have isn't properly yours.
Possession isn't just nine-tenths of the laws; it's everythingPossession isn't just nine-tenths of the laws; it's everything
Editors fiddled a little with my draft, toned down some of my harsher statements and, amusingly, changed my "A wise man once said" into "Bitcoin founder Satoshi Nakamoto wrote":
Banks must be trusted to hold our money and transfer it electronically, but they lend it out in waves of credit bubbles with barely a fraction in reserve. We have to trust them with our privacy, trust them not to let identity thieves drain our accounts.
Here's the phrase I'm most happy with:Here's the phrase I'm most happy with:
Even if I ultimately get my fiat funds back, I’ll probably never bank with Revolut again — and be increasingly suspicious of every other bank. For how do I live with an AML-shaped sword of Damocles forever hanging over my head?
P.S., I also had the phrase "banks are unfit for purpose" in there and I don't see it now so I guess that got scrubbed??
At least @jimmysong must be happy since I copied/stole his Fiat Delenta Est sign-off.
Did they say why? Is it because you were being too based on Stacker News?
Yes, precisely. They referenced some of my SN posts :/
Nah, nothing really. Highlighted a specific transaction but no details about it
If we can't get a rollback of AML / KYC / Bank Secrecy laws under Trump, then I worry that it will never happen....I don't say that because I blindly love orange man, its just that he was literally debanked in 2021....he knows the story first hand.
If the US moved away from these insane laws, the rest of the world would benefit since FINCEN is set from US policy....
This happened to me many years ago. I entertained their BS going through at least 10 different support staff until they asked me to provide tax receipts going back 8 years (before Revolut even existed.) That's when I told them to keep the stinking money and moved on.
This is something I strongly agree with (particularly in the case of bitcoin). We've lived our whole lives, and our parents theirs, in a world that has moved most wealth into a thing you don't actually possess. As long as you're on the good side of the powerful, it doesn't impinge on your life. But all signs point to the people in power being retarded.
It's good to remember though that it is the people who want to be kings who end up under thread-hanging swords.
I have bad history with Revolut lost just 500 euros there only.
SHIT! I'm sorry... never managed to get them back?
Complicated KYC that never end
So, who will you bank with in future, and how?
Or will you go full @DarthCoin
The 2026 forever news will be
Yet you refuse to adopt BTC LN MoE here on Stacker News.
You claim to live in the bitcoin standard but how can anyone believe that claim when you CHOOSE to not use sats here on Stacker News but instead use CC shitcoins?
no idea. Any suggestions?
Any good bitcoin banks out there? (In contrast to Mr. Darth, I must make fiat payments on a regular basis)
Strike? I know they're available in some European countries.
I've tried signing up a few times, it just gets stuck somehow. Never bothered after that.
Might be worth trying again.
Never expected something else from a fiat lover...
Read my fucking guides!
pathetic, bro. I had you on mute for a reason
torn betwee "I'm a little bitch" and "i'm a crybaby"
should add also
But you refuse to attach BTC LN wallets here on Stacker News and so you are a bleeding hypocrit with ZERO credibility.
Good article as a cautionary tale. It's a shame you had to live it, though. Good luck getting things straightened out.
Same thing happened to me last year. Revolut froze my account after doing a few trades on Robosats.
Ironically Revolut are just about the best bank in Britain. The others are even worse.
Crypto is badly needed but 99.9% of people can't see it yet.
that's where I'm at too. It's such a good product (for fiat...) that needing some such minimum of that service, it's hard to know where else to go.
And at some level, the origin of the problem isn't them... it's the AML shit levied to them by regulators and other socialist scum