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Hot filter's broken, just stick with recent!

100 sats \ 42 replies \ @Scoresby 22h

What's broken about it?

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It's all about downzapping for the wrong reasons!

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166 sats \ 14 replies \ @Scoresby 20h

That is a lot of downzaps.

If we are going to use money as the moderator, we become vulnerable to whatever people want to spend sats to say (or downzap).

Currently downzaps are pretty powerful. Seems like we may need some balancing in the power of zaps.

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The solution is to zap more and zap often.

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214 sats \ 12 replies \ @k00b 20h

money is the (mother fucking) moderator™️

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What doesn’t really make sense is a post getting 1,000 up sats from 10 people, and then one person with 333 down sats being able to cancel it out. That needs to be rethought.

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135 sats \ 6 replies \ @k00b 5h

I agree.

Optimism, after Scoresby did, made the point that in tuning for sybil risk we underestimated "activism" risk.

I'm thinking we should make upsats = downsats = boostsats in terms of weighting. Game theory tells us what people should do when they are rational and energetic. It's a great starting point for system design, but alone it tends to produce systems that humans don't like, because on average we are irrational and lazy.

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I don't know how, but I think the number of up/down zaps (stackers) should be taken into account.

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22 sats \ 4 replies \ @k00b 5h

On that point I disagree because counting people, determining with 100% certainty that one zap = one human, is impossible today and will be more impossible tomorrow. Trust/reputation can be used to make better guesses about who is human, but it makes the system opaque and unfair. As is, it may be unfair, but it's transparent.

This really is a microcosm of the attention economy. This wouldn't matter so much if Hot wasn't basically the prime attention allocator.

Even if I set my visibility filter to -1,000, downzapped posts are still effectively invisible to me due to my inability to maintain perfect attention. I'd have to catch them on Recent about the time they're posted. (My other option is to find a comment worth clicking on when I do Recent -> Comments which then helps me find the post.)

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Hot and top are broken, recent is the way to go. That’s what I’ve been doing ever since I joined SN.

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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @Scoresby 20h
the prime attention allocator

I had been thinking about this mostly as a problem of how zaps and downzaps work, but it is interesting to wonder about solutions that give stackers different ways to decide how to allocate their attention.

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 20h

master branch has a -inf filter minimum. I'll deploy it tomorrow

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What's a wrong reason?

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Someone is targeting Den's posts because he doesn't have an attached sending wallet. A lot of his posts have 1,000+ upzaps but also 800+ downzaps and so they're not showing up in Hot

Not sure if this is happening to other users as well

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It’s not just Dan’s posts! Even @Undisciplined got hit. Told you! ~lol
Salomon’s mad 😂 more sats for me. Got 1.7k sats today just from downzaps (26,659).

last day top list bottom:

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Do they understand who receives those rewards sats?

Thanks bud

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They probably know, but I think they're just tryna make a point.

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I did. It didn't make up for what I zapped extra though... but whatever.

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33 sats \ 2 replies \ @optimism 11h

worse. @btcpp got hit.

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100 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner 11h

even worse. @0xbitcoiner got hit ~lol

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33 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 11h

worst outcome haha

My meta post just got downed. also...

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also...

Like the jpeg spammers... they'll eventually run out of money... right?

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Naw. Look ma I got a gun

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202 sats \ 9 replies \ @k00b 21h

I'm thinking of allowing folks to toggle on the horse/gun from their settings - no wallet required. We've also been wanting to only display them on profile pages for clutter reasons.

Also, I'm implementing #1406989 this week which should help in fighting fits of irrationality - past downzaps are on unequal footing with current upzaps.

they might be going after everyone without a horse/gun.

you know what's funny? you can have a horse/gun even if your wallet is down and not working.

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67 sats \ 0 replies \ @optimism 21h

Yeah. I already made that point but people insist on dumb emojis.

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I've targeted his posts on the ⚡️ side

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