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  • Taxes are a scam. Inflation is a stealth tax. Bitcoin fixes this.
  • Taxes are just another wrench atttack.
  • Bitcoin is above the law. It's not a new technology to pay taxes with.
  • Governments simply print new tax requirements if they find out you have any money left over.
21 sats \ 0 replies \ @hynek 2 Oct

No lies detected 👍

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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @gsc360 2 Oct

YESTR

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Amen. Don't flash your wealth and the wrench men won't come. For the first time in history Bitcoin made this possible.

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Taxes are a scam in the sense that they give people the sense they are paying them for their own good.

If I could give an honest, accurate definition of taxation, it'd be:

Taxes are the inevitable phenomenon when the possibility for coercion and theft on scale allows the land conquerors for material benefit that far outweighs the benefit of engaging in voluntary exchange.

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In my country, the word for “tax” is “impuesto,” which literally means “something that has been imposed.” I wonder… What if taxes weren’t imposed? (That is, if they were optional, not mandatory.) Perhaps the only way to get someone to act in a spirit of solidarity is without forcing them to, but of course, most of us would only act that way if there were transparency and fairness, which politicians forgot about centuries ago

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Politicians are simply those who a group of people allow to gain power over them.
Every person is responsible for the politicians they allow to gain that power.
The Lazy Libertarian nonsense of blaming politicians for the negligence and apathy of citizens is an own goal.
Recognise the importance of citizens and who YOU allow to take control!
You are always free to relocate to somewhere else with a different polity but you are too lazy and incapable of acknowledging the responsibility that lies at YOUR FEET.

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I get it, personal responsibility matters. But 'you are always free to relocate' is a privilege, not a universal right, most people can't just pack up and leave, and even if they could, every jurisdiction has its own monopoly on violence. The difference between a politician and a citizen is that one can send men with guns, and the other can only vote every four years. Both have responsibility, but only one has power.

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In most countries are there remote regions where there is much less government.
Most people can move to another country if they are determined.
You can always blame some one else but people want to live where there is taxation because if there is not there is no infrastructure or security..there is poverty and corruption.
Voting every four years is far from the only thing a citizen can do to keep their government honest.
You are just writing yourself an excuse for not taking any responsibility by claiming taxes are inherently bad.
Its a lazy cynical opt out where you are the biggest loser.
The one thing politicians play upon the the fact that most citizens do not know or want to know how much power they really have.
When people wake up and realise how much power they have the politicians rapidly become more accountable.
This lazy Libertarian blaming of taxes and politicians actually ironically lets to politicians off the hook.
Massive own goal.

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You didn't respond to what I actually said. I wasn't arguing whether taxes are good or bad, I was asking what would happen if they were optional, and whether real solidarity only exists without coercion. Infrastructure and security don't require a state, they can come from communities, cooperatives, or markets, and 'move if you're determined' is survivor's bias: most people can't. The difference between a taxpayer and a subject is consent, and consent under threat isn't consent

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Try living without a government.
You will not last a week without collapsing in a heap begging for a Big mac, a coke and a Blanket.
Good taxes enhance the life and security of citizens.
Bad taxes are only possible where citizens fail to ensure their government is one of integrity.
Simplistic morons who bleat 'tax is bad' are unlikely to take the time and effort to ensure their government is one of integrity...they are their own worst enemy.

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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @kilianbuhn 9 Oct -51 sats

ewww a brownoid 3rd worlder 🤢🤢

Show me a wealthy and prosperous nation where taxation and what it enables is not fundamental to the wealth and security of citizens.

S I L E N C E.

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The United States. It won prosperity through a protest against taxation and declined as taxation was reinstituted.

It's never "fundamental." There is no wealth to tax unless civilians build something first. The army can only redistribute wealth, not create it.

To really maximize wealth and security, a state would tax everyone except its own citizens. Taxation is a profoundly sadistic practice.

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To really maximize wealth and security, a state would tax everyone except its own citizens.

It was the taxes imposed by Britain that the US war in independence was against, and rightly.

It is the taxes that USA has imposed upon its citizens since that has enabled it to grow powerful and wealthy.

You are a welfare claimant living off the taxes fellow citizens pay.

Your thinking is so muddled it is clear why you are unemployable and a fiscal burden upon your nation.

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It is the taxes that USA has imposed upon its citizens since that has enabled it to grow powerful and wealthy.

Taxation enriches the state and impoverishes the citizenry. Citizens made wealth amongst themselves and the state leeched on it afterwards. You have the order completely backwards. The PRC is no different. Civilians traded amongst themselves and the government ended up tolerating it. All wealth is produced by the private sector. The state can't run the calculations that a free market can. Even in war collective force can't compete with individual voluntary decision-making.

You are a welfare claimant living off the taxes fellow citizens pay.

I am demonstrating to you exactly why state redistribution is inefficient. Why is the state making other people pay me for doing nothing? It's your collectivist mindset that created this situation for me to exploit.

Why would I work and pay taxes if I can get paid more for doing less? You can't build up a system like this and then get mad when someone games it by following the letter of the law. I am acting in accordance with the incentive structure that you promote.

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Taxes enable defense, law and order and responsible management of resources.

Only bad and corrupt government fails to achieve these collective improvements and only lazy apathetic citizens tolerate corrupt and bad government.

There has never been wealth and security without the taxation to fund the collective management required to achieve this.

Only over entitled spoiled Libertarians delude themselves that things are otherwise.
They are shooting themselves in the foot.
As neoliberal USA declines into tyranny China with its mixed economy leveraging collective and individual interests advances to gain more and more wealth and power.

Why would I work and pay taxes if I can get paid more for doing less?

I earn far more than you and your pathetic subsistence welfare cheques by working my own businesses and paying taxes on the profits I make recognising that it is the environment created by good government that enables me to enjoy wealth and income that is in the top 1% in the world.

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Taxes enable defense, law and order and responsible management of resources.

What taxation enables me to do is forcibly seize resources for "defense" as I define it, so long as I win a majority vote. You wouldn't like it if I took a portion of your profits to finance a war against the PRC. But through the magic of "collective management" (threatening to bomb you) I could. That's the reality of taxation. You as an individual mean nothing within this paradigm. There is only "society" and "historical destiny."

I earn far more than you and your pathetic subsistence welfare cheques by working my own businesses and paying taxes on the profits I make recognising that it is the environment created by good government that enables me to enjoy wealth and income that is in the top 1% in the world.

But you don't, because you're working. I get paid without working. You're in the red. I have actual profit, at your expense.

Only bad and corrupt government fails to achieve these collective improvements and only lazy apathetic citizens tolerate corrupt and bad government.

100% of the corruption and mismanagement of resources is coming from the Labor Party and Communists and other such riff raff. We're only hesitating because we like peace and we'd prefer they simply stop with the insane taxes for stupid shit. They're the ones causing problems. A laissez-faire USA would have zero problems.

If you want roads then pay for roads. Why do you have to drag government into everything? You wouldn't like it if I used government against you.

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If you are happy living on welfare thats fine by me- you will be living a fairly simple low consumption lifestyle and again that's fine if thats what you want, but for most people including myself I enjoy work and contributing to the community and economy and having more than adequate income to take care of myself and my family.

My income is multiples higher than welfare beneficiaries receive and probably 4-5 times what they get for their subsistence. That give me a hell of a lot more discretionary income and choices in life.

I genuinely think its sad that you don't work and don't want to contribute to your economy and community because well, that's just such a limited and dead end kind of life in my observation people who live such a life miss out on most of what life has to offer.

You may thin you are cleverly playing the system but in fact the vast majority of people would not swap places with you and pity you.

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It's not contributing to the economy if the income gets siphoned away paying for attacks on the economy.

Try living without a government.
You will not last a week without collapsing in a heap begging for a Big mac, a coke and a Blanket.
Good taxes enhance the life and security of citizens.
Bad taxes are only possible where citizens fail to ensure their government is one of integrity.
Simplistic morons who bleat 'tax is bad' are unlikely to take the time and effort to ensure their government is one of integrity...they are their own worst enemy.

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Objection: Taxes are not a scam.

Shitizens unintentionally agree to it due to the fact that they do not innerstand the same language legal entities speak and write contracts with.

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You cannot have legally enforceable contracts without the state.

Without enforceable contracts you have the law of the jungle.

Without taxes and government all of you would starve.

Send all Libertarians to Gaza for re-education.

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Marktplatz über alles!!!

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@coffeebadger is an ungrateful welfare beneficiary parasite-hypocrite who would starve without the succor and support of the state and its taxpayer base.

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Nonsense. The reason I don't starve, and the reason you don't starve, is because the private sector is permitted to operate independently of the state.

The reason I make 3 times the annual income of the average urban Chinese worker is not because the US stole oil from Iraq and certainly not because of the cotton trade 200 years ago.

It's because the means of production in my country are owned by people who know what they're doing and not by leftist idealogues. The results speak for themselves. And they will get as loud and bloody as they need to be for you to hear the message that capitalism has received a mandate from God to restore this planet to its rightful owners: individuals, not society.

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Downzapping is a tax

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Nah, downzapping is an act of altruism or an act of hate. It's a completely voluntary sacrifice.

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So much a scam that even when it is not for you, you still have to pay it. I have been scammed 3 years, forced to give money to the government for someone else. I won't forget it.

Bitcoin will be what we will collectively think it is, though.

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Knock me down with a feather 🪶

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Says the Icelander who lives on taxpayer funded welfare payments.

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It has always been this way; it is an unwritten truth.

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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @WaxLuw 17 Sep -30 sats

Yeah, paying taxes when you don't really have a choice is hard to call voluntary. Bitcoin gives people another option.