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Is the dollar a shitcoin?
Stablecoins are just fiat, typically dollar based.
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Very good question, this probably leads us to the bottom of this question.
How do we define shitcoins?
As far as I know, "shitcoin" was created as another term for altcoins which was created for alternative cryptocurrencies.
Is it already consensus that this term also includes fiat now? Or everything which is not bitcoin?
Is gold a shitcoin?
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Bitcoin is (21 / infinity) while also being the most censorship resistant, decentralized money on the planet. Even gold is easy to censor, and centralized by nature.
Gold is (infinity / infinity). Asteroid mining is just around the corner, and there are nearby asteroids with more gold than we have on Earth's surface.
I think Gold is a shitcoin.
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there is gold in asteroids? that’s for real?
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Of course. An ancient star fused more protons and neutrons together to form higher level elements such as gold and uranium. Then, an ancient supernova spewed these elements a half a lightyear into space, forming a very large accretion disk. Large pieces in this disk come together via gravity, forming planets. But many smaller pieces continue floating forever. Asteroid impacts are actually this gravity process continuing even in the present time.
The point of all that was to say: The Earth and Asteroids were born from the same star and are made up of the exact same stuff. Whatever elements you find on Earth, exist in the Asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter in large quantities.
I guess I could have made this shorter and just said, "Yes, we have probes that have gotten close enough to observe large quantities of gold on nearby asteroids." Cuz we have.
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I appreciate the extra drama. Now I will not forget.
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I thought there is no doubt (especially here :) if fiat money is shitcoin or not... And gold is not shitcoin, of course - as it keep purchasing power quite well in time (at least until: asteroids gold mining ;)
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I don’t think they are shitcoins. Contrary to the belief you need dollars to get goods and services. Most shitcoins are worthless only bought to get more usd why? To buy things!.
If I offered everyone who voted yes $1 million USD or one million XRP tokens everyone would choose the USD. Why?
Because we all still need USD!
Shoot you use this voted upon shitcoin to buy bitcoin.
Until people stop accepting USD for payment of goods and services it will never be a shitcoin.
Don’t let the politics and the fraud lead you to believe the usd is not serviceable in any way like 100% of the shitcoins you see on coinmarket cap.
I believe the usd will turn shitcoin when no one wants it for goods and services. Until then I refuse to call something a shitcoin that has tangleable value in the real world.
Shitcoins are worthless. If you think you USD is worthless then send it to me and I’ll buy food, energy, water, and bitcoin with your shitcoin usd.
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Because we all still need USD!
Please don't put me in the shitcoiners gang. I do not use any fiat or shitcoin stablecoin from 2018. Only Bitcoin. The fact that you still need USD means you still don't know how to use Bitcoin and how to convince people around you to use it. You are still fiat slave. And for more you are keep using it, more you will suffer.
If you do not have balls to do it, to step out from slavery is your choice, but don't say that stupid thing that we need USD. We don't need.
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Last I checked daycares don’t accept Bitcoin. Neither do sports leagues, doctors, dentists, nor do utility companies for power and water.
In the real world expenses are still dominated in dollars.
Until producers of things that matter like food, health, education, energy accept bitcoin on mass dollars are still Needed and those who refute this aren’t living in reality.
I’m not putting you in any gang I’m just saying that a usd stablecoin is nothing like a shitcoin.
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Interesting, you don't see the difference between USD (the official worldwide shitcoin with high liquidity) and USDt, USDc,BUSD....
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Regardless of whether or not USD is a shitcoin, your example falls short: Choosing one shitcoin over another doesn't mean the chosen one isn't a shitcoin. It just means that its the less shitty of the two.
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They are, but so are digits in fiat bank accounts. Really they are just another fiat payment routing clearinghouse. They work better than SWIFT but slower and irreversible.
I think they are mainly there and continuing to do well due to being an easy pathway between fiat units and satoshis, riding on Bitcoin's value, which more or less proportionally tracks with the amount they have circulating, give or take.
If nothing else, it brings people into two more clicks to stacking sats. Of course they are irrelevant under a bitcoin standard since nobody's using that trash anymore but for the time being, it's got its benefits and it impedes our enemies more than it does to our cause. They are the gateway drug from forex to bitcoin.
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They are the gateway drug from forex to bitcoin.
Well put, I think so, too.
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Dollar is nothing more than a big shitcoin - because is losing a lot of its purchasing power every decade.
So obviously every USDT, USDC etc which mimics shitcoin - is also shitcoin by definition but even worse - because with: yet another possible point of failure :)
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Definining shitcoin as a currency losing a lot of purchasing power is interesting.
Unfortunately, there are tons of bigger shitcoins than the USD so to most people in the world, the dollar is a lesser shitcoin because it loses less purchasing power that their country's.
And unfortunately this is a big problem for Bitcoin adoption.
If you're poor and you have very little savings (let's one month, and that is not the poorest), Bitcoin can be a greater shitcoin than the USD if the price happened to go down more than the USD due to volatility. Even when the USD goes down in value it does so at a predictable rate, and this is key.
For those of us who are able to zoom out and see the big picture (and have enough savings to wait out the volatility), Bitcoin is the best. For most people in this world, with high time preference and little savings, unfortunately, Bitcoin can be disastrous.
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the earlier DCA was started the less Bitcoin can be disastrous (DCA efficiency doesn't care if applied to little or to big savings) but generally, well said :)
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Agree! Just wondering how do poor people DCA
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at least they are able finally, thanks to Lightning Network
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If they exchange cash for sats they might need to remind themselves, it's a manual process they'll likely won't sustain? I don't want to be too pessimistic but I don't see it. Bull runs might help
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Stablecoins are a perverted form of fiat, they take all that's wrong on the system and wrap it on a "blockchain" that allows to make more damage than the greenbacks.
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What about countries with high inflation in their local currency where USD exposure is restricted?
To my understanding, stablecoins provide a solution there since they don't need permission from their local banks to send and receive stablecoins. The local banks may even convert their USD into the local currency in a bail-in scenario.
I know I will probably be called a shitcoiner here but to me stablecoins seem to provide value to people who just want to escape their local currency but don't want to take the leap into bitcoin (yet).
But I have no first-hand experience. Maybe someone from these countries can chime in here.
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No, everything will settle on Bitcoin.
Network A is of size X, Network B is of size Y.
If X > Y, B is incentivized to become interoperable with A more than A is incentivized to become interoperable with B.
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Yes, I agree.
I just don't know if stablecoins are the same level of "shitcoinery" as actual shitcoins.
Stablecoins might still be shitcoins (since it's not bitcoin) but I think it's important to differentiate and consider use cases of people which have not started their bitcoin journey yet.
I think it's not helping our cause to just dismiss everything without being empathetic.
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Shitcoin if any is a yes.
  • Can it be minted with little to no energy?
  • Does it have an infinite supply?
  • Is it centralized?
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Stablecoins are "stable" only up to a certain point, which cannot be predicted.
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But still more stable than some other fiat currencies, no?
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If we consider only the issue of volatility compared to shitcoins, then yes. You can temporarily wait out market disturbances in stablecoins, but in no case should you store funds there for the long term.
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Without any doubt whatsoever.
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Always yes
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I see that Telegram have enabled Bitcoin in their wallet app, but you cannot disable displaying their shitcoin token TON (though they let you disable USDT)..
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Of course they are. Next question.
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Fiat is a shitcoin. So...
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No, if there is something or someone reputable behind it
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Stablecoin conversions will also depend on markets for the stable coin if there are swap lines available, and who wants to deal with that?
Another layer of complexity is that stablecoins are blockchain agnostic; you can find USDT (Tether) on more than five different blockchains. Now depending on the chain, I prefer, this may cause conflict. Yes, we both have USDT, but the chains don’t talk to one another, and again, one party will need to pay the cost of swapping to another chain.
These cross-chain swaps can add unnecessary cost and friction when conducting transactions.
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Stable coins are worse than shit coins... they are an imitation of the ultimate shit coin (fiat).
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They are only shitcoins if you consider the corresponding fiat to also be crap. Despite the faulty economics behind USD (& other fiat) and the mathematical inevitability of it behind severely devalued at best and hyperinflated at worst, we still need dollars. This isn't just from a legal standpoint of taxes and trade contracts, but practically speaking, the dollar is still the most widely recognized and accepted currency by merchants. In my opinion, this choice is just a development that needs to be monitored by individuals going forward, the same way that states do so.
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bit is it if its not bit… its shit
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are stablecoins really just savings accounts with a fancy name? Far as I can tell, you would use them to earn interest on your cash while retaining the value of the cash in that currency.
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There's only one response I'm looking for in the comments
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Is the underlying asset a shitcoin?
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I think this is a great explanation on why Stablecoins are very Sh!tlike
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Yes no question about it. They just happen to be really useful ones for businesses and people that don't have the means to deal with bitcoin price volatility. So, necessary shitcoins ja.
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