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We don’t want our customers subject to these types of attacks, so we aren’t burdening them with seed phrases in the first place.

I didn't get what they are doing differently now. I understood they are offering multisig solutions. But don't they consist of seed phrases, too?

Bitkey is a multisignature wallet that uses three keys instead of one

Most (all?) hardware wallets today have customers write down the seed phrase and re-enter it as part of onboarding. This in an unusual experience for most people. It is time-consuming. And of course then customers have to understand and appreciate how sensitive this material is that they've just written down and devise a plan both to never lose it and never let anyone else see it even for just a few seconds (a quick picture away from losing all your money).

Imagine instead an onboarding experience that takes a minute and doesn't involve any of this?

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Casa also recommends seedless setup for their customers https://blog.keys.casa/seedless-security-model/

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With the huge ledger backlash going on right now....like I don't know maybe because you're doing this from the start its different but (and also its only one of 3 keys and not a split of 1 key)

https://i.redd.it/7hlvw4rp870b1.png

Did you look at the Liana wallet? Anything inspiring from that design you think might be useful for what Spiral is trying to accomplish?

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https://bitkey.build/losing-your-keys-without-losing-your-coins/

"Wallet is made up of three parts - a mobile “App”, a specialized “Hardware” device, and our backend “Server” - with each controlling one of 3 keys" using a 2 of 3 multi-sig. You know some people do this with unchained capital so they're sort of making that model streamlined.

I don't really like it myself. I mean just take the marketing from Liana wallet: https://twitter.com/raw_avocado/status/1658099154571218949

Gives the user all the power to make all the decisions they want.

I don't know sometimes with these companies I'm reminded of Maralyn Manson. "Some of them wan to abuse you, some of them want to be abused" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSG-6xc-T4U

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I suspected they just aren't exposing them as part of the UX. They can't prevent an encoding from existing, but they can prevent users from knowing it exists.

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