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23 sats \ 0 replies \ @JesseJames 17 Jun 2023
Nice catch... in the "fine print" of the filing
"... In the event of a fork, the Sponsor will, as permitted by the terms of the Trust Agreement, determine which network it believes is generally accepted as the Bitcoin network and should therefore be considered the appropriate network, and the associated asset as bitcoin..."
They don't have the slightest intention to be good, this simply tells me when we fork the bitcoin not if...
Saylor is right, there is no second best... stay away from these people, hold your own bitcoin.
trust my "behind"...
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3 sats \ 18 replies \ @siggy47 16 Jun 2023
Therefore, this is a perfect vehicle to create a "paper bitcoin" mess and there's not a damn thing we can do about it, whether or not we ignore this disaster and keep hodling physical bitcoin. It's also the perfect vehicle for an entity with government backing to manipulate market price, not unlike the way the gold market has been manipulated.
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2 sats \ 17 replies \ @sudonaka 17 Jun 2023
We will expose them if it’s paper
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2 sats \ 16 replies \ @badabing 17 Jun 2023
Really hoping we can and the masses care enough.
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23 sats \ 15 replies \ @sudonaka 17 Jun 2023
I’m not sure you are aware what this product is for.
Bitcoiners will still buy actual coins P2P
Retail will buy with clean exchanges now after the SEC actions, and will take self custody as much as we can educate them.
Institutional retirement accounts have had 0 access to spot coins until now.
This product will open access to Bitcoin for 401 accounts and big managed funds. There isn’t a lot of overlap there.
This means a lot of capital is gaining access to Bitcoin for the first time. Not taking capital away from the current access routes
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20 sats \ 2 replies \ @badabing 18 Jun 2023
With masses, I meant that us bitcoiners or just regular people still care about owning real bitcoin and not paper. That they still care enough to expose bad actors, and not just NGU.
Next to that, there are other potential or new routes this capital could take. Collab custody, full reserve bitcoin banks (proof of reserve products), etc. In my opinion, we should avoid paper at all costs and I hope this etf gets denied as well.
Let's not be too naive here, this can be bad for bitcoin.
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 18 Jun 2023
Obviously I agree with you. My fear is that BlackRock wouldn't have committed the time, effort and money into this unless they knew it was getting approved. Larry Fink is as powerful as any politician in the U.S.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @sudonaka 18 Jun 2023
The same way we are anti-trusting (distrustful of blackrock)
There is trillions of AUM that is strictly trusting. That money would would never have owned Bitcoin unless their money managers could invest with their buddies at blackrock
I’m just observing the facts here. I hate blackrock and esg
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43 sats \ 11 replies \ @siggy47 18 Jun 2023
Allen Farrington wrote a great article explaining how this is not a real spot etf. What you said in your reply is exactly what people said about GBTC, which could also be purchased in retirement accounts and by investors who could not hold physical custody. In this case it's worse than Grayscale, if only because BlackRock is involved. No physical redemption, free to decide on a legitimate fork is scary. BlackRock's ties to the U.S. government will allow easy manipulation of the market, just like J.P. Morgan Chase manipulates the gold market: https://www.straitstimes.com/business/banking/jpmorgan-fined-126-billion-for-manipulating-precious-metals-treasury-market
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0 sats \ 10 replies \ @sudonaka 18 Jun 2023
I don’t have time to argue with you. Go deny blackrock’s application or sell me your coins if you are bearish
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @siggy47 18 Jun 2023
I don't feel like it's an argument. I won't sell a single sat, and I'm bullish long term on bitcoin. This will allow its price to be manipulated short term, though. Before bitcoin existed I owned GLD. I was a gold bug, and I bought the GLD etf because it was real physical gold, not the DGL which I thought of as paper. I still own GLD in a retirement account. Farrington explains why, when dealing with a commodity, this type of etf is really a trust, like Grayscale. It's not the end of the world by any means. It just won't bring these huge price gains everyone imagines.
Speaking of which, check out BTC price action just after the approval of the first futures etf. Everyone anticipated a surge in price, and instead it was the beginning of the 2018 bear market. That was either intentional manipulation or typical "sell the news" price action. Same thing when El Salvador adopted bitcoin. We all expected a price surge. We got a dump.
Look, we're on the same team. I hope I'm dead wrong and that you're right. I'm just expressing my opinion.
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20 sats \ 0 replies \ @sudonaka 18 Jun 2023
Absolutely. Number one thing is still education-
Not your keys not your 🧀
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0 sats \ 7 replies \ @badabing 18 Jun 2023
You should at least consider and understand the risks, if you think education is key.
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @sudonaka 18 Jun 2023
I’m going to personally buy 0 shares of this product. Just like everyone else on stacker.news furthermore we also have 0 control over the approval.
So how about more education (not your keys not you Bitcoin) and less fud?
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1 sat \ 0 replies \ @2bithits 17 Jun 2023
This year has been entertaining hasn't it.
I can't work out what's going on, but I feel pretty comfortable stacking & holding my keys. Its like a slow motion movie
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