I just got a beer with a WorldCoin employee. AMA \ stacker news ~bitcoin

I just got a beer with a WorldCoin employee. AMA

16.2k sats \ 80 comments \ @runningbitcorn 27 Jul 2023 bitcoin

Without doxxing him, he gets paid to interface with governments shilling WorldCoin's idea for global ID.

Disclaimer: he was a really nice guy, but I've got some banger quotes for the plebs if the zaps come raining in.

349 sats \ 9 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

"I'd like to see if you'd meet up at ETH Buenos Aires so we can talk about a partnership between WorldCoin and Bitcoin."

OK that's my mic drop. Swear on my mother's life these words were spoken. As we were leaving the bar heading outside. It was the cherry on the sundae.

11 sats \ 8 replies \ @SimpleStacker 27 Jul 2023

lmao, did you tell him you were the "CEO of Bitcoin"?

128 sats \ 7 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

I was really nice and let it slide because social norms. Also when I drink I turn into a human golden retriever and just want to be everyone's friend.

This was, by far, the most peak-clown world experience of my life. Mind you, I met Joseph Lubin once, so there's that. Also met Hoskinson...what a weirdo.

46 sats \ 6 replies \ @TomK 27 Jul 2023

Hahahaha. Like me, same here. Some copas de vino and I immediately start diffusing into the wall of total tolerance, loosing any kind of cynism and fighting spirit.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @l0k18 28 Jul 2023

As a 47yo who spent most of the time since 21 drinking more than a litre of alcohol a day, it is really worth it to stop, the shit just kills you one millimetre at a time until all your organs fail. I developed severe B1 deficiency and started to lose my vision.

And honestly, people like this... It would be like I met Buterin in person, my eyes would bug out, and I'd be like, "I've gotta go to the toilet". kthxbye.

You are wisely submissive just as I am wisely evasive. These people are walking poison. Their whole being is false.

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @TomK 28 Jul 2023

We're nearly the same age. You're right. Thankfully my spanish wife always keeps an eye on the germanic barbarian and transforms me step by step into a mediterranian civilized human being.

20 sats \ 3 replies \ @l0k18 28 Jul 2023

Yeah, realising that nicotine made me more likely to be submissive was a huge revelation for me, end of 2021 it dawned. The equation Nicotine = Slavery was thus baked into my mind and will never be unbaked.

The alcohol just too many things to mention that it screws up. Thirst, decreasing digestive efficiency, poisoning the elimination organs, and depleating critical nutrients.

And then for both, so much money on taxes that we are paying to poison ourselves. Madness.

100 sats \ 0 replies \ @legxxi 29 Jul 2023

Can you elaborate on the nicotine-submission connection? Because you are hooked into something you can’t control?

I’ve recently heard that nicotine is supposed to raise the testosterone levels, not sure if true.

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121 sats \ 1 reply \ @l0k18 29 Jul 2023

@legxxi:

seems this thread has hit the limit of depth...

First, the american indians called it a peace pipe for a reason, and also, only used it when there was a fight between two or more tribes. It reduces people's overall aggression reactivity.

The hypothesis has to do with the chain of communication that the inner dialogue is part of. When we think, there is a subthreshold signal activation sent to the muscles that wolud actuate the words we are thinking. This extra-cranial memory system (there is several, GI, musculo-skeletal, endocrine) creates these semi-automatic reactions.

Nicotine is a drug which disrupts specifically nicotinic, but generally acetylcholine synapses. It can act as a poison in its own right, but it also can block other poisons, it is not too distantly related to stuff like scopolamine and other anticholinergics (and btw, nicotine makes you smell cyanic acid gas, which normally is not sensible).

The acetyl-choline system is deeply intertwined with the musculorskeletal system, it controls muscle tension and release and coordinating all the muscles concurrently, and it's what people talk about "muscle memory", and those with impulse control often this thing runs away with the whole show now and then (funny for you, HAH).

Thus, as I have laid out, nicotine has an interaction related to the muscle memory and semi-automatic coordination in the musculoskeletal system, and thus it interfaces with the ability to speak.

Before a person says no, they have to think no. Nicotine makes that thought weaker by generally reducing that automatic interconnection system and putting a mental program in place, which usually is something like, no exaggeration "if I don't say yes he is gonna hurt me". The nicotine helps keep the "fuck you" voice from leading to a motivation to say out loud.

That's it, basically. I should also point out that in general, the breathing system regulates the arousal level of the brain, as in, you can calm yourself down and get yourself excited by changing your breathing, and your breathing changes, it changes your arousal, via the many mechanisms including CO2/O2 balance, glutamate, endocrine signals, adrenalin, etc. So nicotine also generally weakens the will against brainwashing, is basically what I'm saying. It takes some of the control away from the always wise non-ego memory of the extracranial nervous system.

"I got a bad feeling about it but I said yes anyway, even though I knew I was gonna be very angry about the result" - the story of every smoker's life. IMO. Look deeper, and you will see it. It was a stroke of luck in some respects, that Berneys started the field of mass manipulation aka "public relations" with a drug that weakens people in a very subtle way to persuasion, especially when it is hooked into the terror of traumas many of us experience in our early years.

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407 sats \ 13 replies \ @Lumor 27 Jul 2023

What do you have for 1000 sats?

120 sats \ 2 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

This is turning into a stacker news titty bar.

OK, when asked about the retina collections and its concentration in the third world, he said that it's a widespread misconception because most participants thus far have been Portuguese (which makes it OK?). Regardless, it's disconcerting to think that people of any nation are forking over biometrics willy nilly like this to Silicon Valley tech bros slinging an ERC-20 token.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @BBitcoinUSA 30 Jul 2023

Lol, new sub - “Titty Bar” or weekly discussion thread “Titty Bar Tuesday”

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @Lumor 27 Jul 2023

Haha 😄

Yeah, yet another Silicon Valley VC ERC-20 token, but with an extra dose of dystopia.

184 sats \ 9 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

When pressed on token distribution he agreed that it should be "fair", but had no reply when I pressed him on the relative nature of "fair" if left up to human interpretation.

Also called into question the "immaculate conception" nature of Bitcoin, which I found to be a fair criticism, but by no means a point in favor of WorldCoin nor pointed to any problem WorldCoin is solving.

167 sats \ 4 replies \ @netstatic 27 Jul 2023

Also called into question the "immaculate conception" nature of Bitcoin, which I found to be a fair criticism

What was his criticism? Also what do you mean when you say the "immaculate conception" nature of Bitcoin?

14 sats \ 3 replies \ @OriginalSize 28 Jul 2023

I'll give it a shot. Never heard this applied to Bitcoin but I suspect it has to do with the way people had to run across Bitcoin in their own time. Those that by luck found it earlier had a bigger chance at gains. They also bore more risk and all the other usual caveats. Bitcoin distribution is as fair as it can be, being first, and decentralized but there's no denying the opportunity is deflationary like the currency.

Just my 2 cents. Would be interested in other takes.

200 sats \ 2 replies \ @legxxi 29 Jul 2023

Hmm no, the immaculate coinception refers to Satoshi creating Bitcoin in a set of favorable circumstances that can never be replicated again.

For instance:

A green field, no other form of a digital asset with decentralised and scarce properties at that time
No market value when it started
No pre-mining
No VCs, investors, or other funny stuff
A mysterious and anonymous creator that just disappears and leaves Bitcoin into the wild

It’s historically so fair and unique, that creates the purest narrative for the establishment of its value. It’s mythical!

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @OriginalSize 29 Jul 2023

Good explanation but this term is too silly. There's nothing supernatural about Bitcoin. "Hmm no" lol.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @legxxi 29 Jul 2023

Is there something supernatural about fire or the wheel? What if Bitcoin is a discovery rather than an invention? What’s the difference between those two actually? 😄

47 sats \ 1 reply \ @Lumor 27 Jul 2023

Haven't read it but I like the title of "Equal is Unfair".

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @l0k18 28 Jul 2023

It's ridiculous that Fair has somehow diverged from Earned.

Like the the overarching meme is "evil is not evil".

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @l0k18 28 Jul 2023

haha there was nothing immaculate about it when it was happening. Andresen almost sold it out to the CIA...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @elvismercury 27 Jul 2023

Yeah, curious about the immaculate conception critique. It seems to be the most unassailable thing abt btc, when you view it practically. Although maybe the guy really believes the retina scanning will work without dystopian consequences?

192 sats \ 1 reply \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

"Decentralization is a process."

...to be perfectly honest I didn't know where to start with that one. I was 3 strong beers deep, full disclosure.

7 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK 27 Jul 2023

Puking could have been an adequate answer....

56 sats \ 1 reply \ @JoeNakamoto 27 Jul 2023

Zapped 2,000 sats + a vague promise that this might appear on a Cointelegraph article!

Any other bangers?

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

Joe you legend.

Well, the fact that he was lobbying for scooter rentals merely 1 year prior and now is tasked with wooing despots across the Global South makes this all sound like some Seth Rogan movie playing out in real life. He effectively got the job bc he's gone head to head with city councils across the US. These are the brains involved in this project. These are the hired guns they've been able to procure. It's so laughable.

90 sats \ 1 reply \ @llamabyte 27 Jul 2023

I am so glad the people behind worldcoin are dumb. Best case scenario.

106 sats \ 0 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

But seriously...so, so dumb.

I think WorldCoin will be another zeppelin-esque moment in the world of crypto, but not the last. Just mind-boggling to think what scams we have yet to see.

194 sats \ 1 reply \ @SimpleStacker 27 Jul 2023

Does he believe the shit he's selling or does he know it's shit?

14 sats \ 0 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

I believe he's acting in good faith. A year deep in the "industry", so doesn't know his ass from his elbow it would appear. Hasn't done the homework. Was shilling scooter rental legislation before this position.

187 sats \ 1 reply \ @TonyGiorgio 27 Jul 2023

There's like 2 sentances of content in this thread. Have fun losing 15k+ sats guys.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @rheedi0 27 Jul 2023

I'm having fun 🫠

141 sats \ 6 replies \ @tomlaies 27 Jul 2023

Why is it a coin? If they want to ID all of humanity that's one bad thing but why hasit to be combined with a shitcoin currency? Where is the connection between these 2 things?

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undergotten 27 Jul 2023

Two wet dreams in one. Giddy globalists giggling as we goosestep to the gulags in great orderly fashion. Double your digital dystopia for the price of one!

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @tomlaies 28 Jul 2023

I think this project is awful and dystopian as well. But I disagree on using "globalists" as a slur. Globalism is awesome, free markets capitalism does not need artificial lines on a map.

5 sats \ 2 replies \ @RdioActiv 28 Jul 2023

Globalism in the colloquial sense is anything but a free market. It's corporate colonialism.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @tomlaies 29 Jul 2023

You say "corporate colonialism" as if it's a bad thing. Corporate colonialism is awesome. In the last 20 years corporations brought so much, I can literally let my apartment be cleaned by a robot while sitting on the couch and order food while staying on the couch and have endless entertainment while staying on the couch.

All these things were made by international supply lines, programmers from india, designers from Europe, management from the US, awesome mexican canteen food from my buddy Carlos etc. Just imagine how much even further we would have come with a decentralized hard money that doesn't know borders like Bitcoin

Try reading Adam Smith instead of spreading literally communist propaganda

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undergotten 29 Jul 2023

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undergotten 28 Jul 2023

I agree with you that the concept is lovely, but I didn't invent that particular term. It is already out there in the wild, and it refers to a very specific group of people who have nothing awesome intended for you. Also, I needed a G word for the alliteration. :)

109 sats \ 0 replies \ @2bithits 27 Jul 2023

Did he pay for his orb?

138 sats \ 4 replies \ @_jklnz 27 Jul 2023

Zapped 1K Sats just to find out what other things he said. I once ran into one of them in Barcelona, and he didn't understand why it's a bad thing to have your retinas linked to a data harvesting company. Also, I'm intrigued if he's a Sam Altman fanboy. Most of them adore that guy, kinda like the SBF hype.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

I was trying to keep things on first principles, which didn't get me far. The character of Altman is a whole 'nother Pandora's box.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @_jklnz 27 Jul 2023

I can imagine. I had a talk with a co-worker today. They love to idolize these clowns.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

It was especially surreal bc I had just watched Bitcoin University's video on the matter yesterday morning:

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @_jklnz 27 Jul 2023

Haha they are already following you!

138 sats \ 0 replies \ @mallardshead 27 Jul 2023

Ok two more. Put the gun down. 300 sats.

100 sats \ 3 replies \ @elvismercury 27 Jul 2023

How did he get the gig in the first place? Just some random dude getting a job, and this was the job he wandered into?

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

He was lobbying for scooter rentals across various cities before this.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @elvismercury 27 Jul 2023

Haha, not exactly mission-driven. Interesting detail!

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

Not in the least. He's stoked he's on the VC gravy train, but doesn't realize how deeply implicated he is in US securities law violations. Speaking of, he had a lot of disparaging words for Gensler, which seems to be a theme amongst the crypto bros.

92 sats \ 1 reply \ @Tjacten 27 Jul 2023 freebie

I think it's going no where just like Lira

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

Libra?

90 sats \ 1 reply \ @channel_ninja 27 Jul 2023

I have a good friend who works for Worldcoin. They didn't tell me any interesting insider knowledge, but I found it remarkable how little they know or care about cryptocurrencies (not even Woldcoin). They just like the job they do there and get a pretty good pay check and enough premined Worldcoin for which they would get "a nice car".

I had to explain to them the history and philosophy of bitcoin and how the blockchain works and what the difference between bitcoin and "crypto" is. I think they are now a bit intrigued by bitcoin, but not enough to go down the rabbit hole.

They just care about how much fiat they get for their job. I guess that's a very important difference between people who work for shitcoins, and people that work on improving bitcoin. shitcoin employees do it for fiat, bitcoin developers do it because they are passionate about bitcoin and want to make the world a better place.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

Yes, agreed. 100% failed startup vibes, where VC money just goes up in smoke one dumb hire at a time. Dude has a great job getting flown all over the world to shoot the shit with despotic government types. He's living out a Seth Rogan movie script.

46 sats \ 0 replies \ @netstatic 27 Jul 2023

Previous sections discussed why a custom hardware device using iris biometrics is the only approach to ensure inclusivity (i.e. everyone can sign up regardless of their location or background) and fraud resistance, promoting fairness for all participants src: https://whitepaper.worldcoin.org/technical-implementation

The 'previous sections' phrase is a broken hyperlink lol

I also hate all their acronyms like PoP (proof of personhood) and TFH (tools for humanity).

The Orb associates the public key with a user’s iris code, whose current sole purpose is to be used in the uniqueness check. If this check succeeds, the World ID public key gets inserted into an identity set maintained by a smart contract on the Ethereum blockchain. The updated state is subsequently bridged to Optimism and Polygon PoS so World ID can be used natively on those chains.

The shit coinery is strong with this project

46 sats \ 6 replies \ @AJ1992 27 Jul 2023

Fuck both Worldcoin and on-chain bitcoin. They fucked up by making it an ERC-20 token, but apparently they're trying to migrate to Optimism which would be the smart thing to do.

I can't stand blockchains where fees are volatile and confirmation times are a complete guess.

0 sats \ 5 replies \ @sudonaka 28 Jul 2023

Troll?

“Volatile” fees - free market ?

0 sats \ 4 replies \ @AJ1992 28 Jul 2023

The way on chain BTC fees rise and fall like a roller coaster ride and the price to transact compared to virtually every other blockchain is the main reason the common folk will never adopt bitcoin. This is why lightning is so damn important. Humans are naturally greedy, they're not going to pay even 10 cents (way more expensive to transact on chain, just making a point) to send funds/money when they can do it without paying anything in the form of cash, cashapp, debit/credit cards, other cryptocurrencies, ect.

Also, no one wants to sit around and wait an unknown amount of time for their tx to confirm...most people are still unaware that a small amount of wallets like BTC core and electrum will let you spend unconfirmed funds but obviously that comes with many risks anyway.

The fact is, on chain bitcoin will never replace fiat or be widely adopted by a majority of the population due to the reasons mentioned above. So many of you think Bitcoin is perfect and has no flaws, while you should be identifying the flaws and fixing them/adapting/growing like other cryptocurrencies have.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @sudonaka 29 Jul 2023

Someone at your level won’t have to worry about on-chain fees at all.

You’ll get your paycheck on lighting instantly and you’ll use mostly custodial wallet solutions.

Your “bank” (fedimint) will take care of lower level settlements for you

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @AJ1992 29 Jul 2023

You'll never see me store funds in a custodial wallet, even with lightning.. I may move them through a custodial wallet temporarily for swap purposes or whatever, but no, i know better. I'm actually pretty well rounded in the crypto world. Been involved since ETH airdrops you could claim without having to pay the gas (they were actually free) were a thing..Back when Waves airdrops/Waves DEX was a thing.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @sudonaka 29 Jul 2023

So explain something to me then. Why do you think lightning has any value?

Since you say Bitcoin is terrible, why would lightning (which helps move small amounts of Bitcoin faster) make any difference?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @AJ1992 29 Jul 2023

Because you have to realize over 85% of cryptocurrency transactions on all the major blockchains according to some data i read about a year ago are worth less than $100 USD.

That means most people are moving small enough amounts for whatever reasons to be able to use lightning and integrate it into their lives. Also, lightning has value because it's essentially feeless, instantly available in the receivers wallet (assuming there are no routing delays), and is super conveinient given everyone is already glued to their smartphones most of the time anyway. It's actually easier than having to pull out a debit/credit card and swipe it in my opinion.

Lightning is the only way bitcoin stays relevant and doesn't eventually die in my opinion. It's the only way for bitcoin to become a widely accepted method of transacting funds/paying for purchases/services.

As stated, the majority of the earth's population doesnt have the time, patience, or extra funds (even 50 cents or less is a turn off to people when they can pay another way for free) to deal with on chain bitcoin transactions.

46 sats \ 3 replies \ @mallardshead 27 Jul 2023

Ok 400 sats. Stop the hostage tactics and give us the first one.

46 sats \ 2 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

"Nostr doesn't scale."

46 sats \ 1 reply \ @mallardshead 27 Jul 2023

Then he's talking about a specific Nostr client, one without content curation specificity built into its database architecture.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

I mean, I think even that is giving him too much credit for what he knows about Nostr.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @OriginalSize 28 Jul 2023

It's unwise to underestimate your adversary. This guy may have been good for laughs but no doubt this shitcoin will fester. Just look at Ripple.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 28 Jul 2023

If you can explain to me how WorldCoin is Bitcoin's adversary then I'll consider the unsolicited advice, otherwise I'm too busy doing my part to separate government and money to give a fuck about the ocean of scammers out there. They'll all meet the same fate regardless of my estimation of them.

30 sats \ 1 reply \ @jeff 27 Jul 2023

Did he realize that WorldCoin's plan is to have an expiry with each instance of your identity, forcing people to re-scan at some regular periodicity?

ie, there is already a planned, in-your-face, government hook, where the rules can change, to link this shit to any other document/system. So if you don't get re-scanned, you "expire" by default. The default will be to be de-platformed for non-compliance.

I wonder if the employees even know how evil and inconvenient this shit could get.

I've never been a violent person, but I'm considering it.

I'm putting Sam Altman into a bin of "most evil and reckless people on earth".

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 27 Jul 2023

He did make mention of "laws can be changed", which I found really ominous.

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lux 27 Jul 2023

Spoiler alert, we are already IDed. You know, it's called ID. It comes for a soc sec number, wich is just a corporation (or trust) tax number

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @nullama 28 Jul 2023

Did you get some WorldCoins though?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @runningbitcorn OP 28 Jul 2023

Jingling in my pocket as we speak.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Baxy 27 Jul 2023

Thanks for sharing.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @03014f425f 27 Jul 2023

he gets paid to interface with governments shilling WorldCoin's idea for global ID he was a really nice guy