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Feature request: Zap to reduce visibility of a post/er
30 sats \ 11 comments \ @l0k18 11 Aug 2023 meta
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I figure the sequential/trending/most zapped pattern covers the three sort modes in the header of this site.
If there is a formula currently that is used, relating to the amount of sats zapped to a post/comment, it should be possible to allocate that to instead reduce the visibility of the post, where its visibility is raised by sats going upwards, can be reversed.
This would allow users to participate in curating the feed a little more, as well as to become a shooting-oneself-in-the-foot temptation for trolls, who obviously will especially like to use it to try and make their sock puppet conversations not look so sock puppety.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @l0k18 OP 11 Aug 2023
#222760 This was someone else's post about said troll.
Notice how another recent shill for DCs chimes in like a classic sybil.
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0 sats \ 9 replies \ @k00b 11 Aug 2023
It’s planned. Currently you can flag and item which is kind of like a downzap but you can only zap once.
Next week will be 100% focused on creating personalized feeds. Once that’s live, downzaps, muting, and other types of “negative” actions will be worked on.
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100 sats \ 8 replies \ @elvismercury 11 Aug 2023
I used to think this 'downzapping' idea was a good one, but now I'm much less sure. I can imagine it nuking posts that don't follow the dominant dogma into oblivion. From one PoV, that seems fine, as it allows the values of a community to be expressed, and for it to self-police. On the other hand, also seems like it would make a community way more likely to become an echo chamber.
Have you thought about these dynamics?
Either way, it would be interesting to keep track of how changes like this alter interaction patterns on the site, so in two months, or whatever, you'd be able to make data-driven statements about how the nature of SN participation changed with changes to these foundational incentive models.
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @IanMalcolmPhd 12 Aug 2023
Keep up the great work! The mute feature could work in these ways: shrunk to 1 line, with a minimal button to display all muted content (it's kind of annoying on slashdot and reddit to click "show this comment" a number of times) completely gone altogether, like blocking people with a killfile on Usenet would do
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 12 Aug 2023
Excellent suggestions. I'm open to all kinds of feedback on how mutes should work. It'll be useful to consider before I take a pass at implementing it.
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50 sats \ 1 reply \ @k00b 11 Aug 2023
The echo chamber scenario is definitely a concern. I think its mostly a concern when you have absolute ranking though which is why we don't currently allow downzaps.
Once we have personalized feeds, your downzaps will only affect the pov of people who have demonstrated they trust you. We could also provide opt-outs of downzap effects.
Either way, it would be interesting to keep track of how changes like this alter interaction patterns on the site, so in two months, or whatever, you'd be able to make data-driven statements about how the nature of SN participation changed with changes to these foundational incentive models
For sure. It seems a worthy experiment.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @elvismercury 11 Aug 2023
That's a good point, and seems like a nice compromise. Wrt 'opt-out' option, it would be really interesting to see the effects in toggle mode -- e.g., what does the world (I guess, the front page / feed) look like with downzap effects in place, vs without? You'd get a sense of your local perceptual biases whatever they were.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @l0k18 OP 11 Aug 2023
I was involved in the Steem blockchain forum, and after watching how things went during the first year of that project it seemed to me that
a) trolls loved proof of stake because they could use those free tokens to power their mischief and
b) that determined opponents of said trolls could put a serious ding in this mischief
Regarding b, ironically after the troll fell below zero reputation the reputation hiding scheme stopped working, of course, and nobody ever fixed it.
If you know about Steem you know it was the spawn of none other than bytemaster, who satoshi didn't have time for, and that Justin Sun got his crypto millions in a large part off that project and eventually bought it out, and turned it into a farm of koreabots.
All I know is, regarding engagement, that this troll asshat drivechain shill and his socks, or acolytes, or whatever, has pushed me off this site and now I am paying far more attention to Nostr. not that I think I'm really contributing that much but meh, point being that trolls do drive away users.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @k00b 11 Aug 2023
Can you link to the post of the drivechain troll?
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @llamabyte 11 Aug 2023
He's talking about me, and i'm not a sock or a shill or a troll. Anyone he disagrees with and can't reply to with a reasonable argument is a sockpuppet account apparently. Now he's concern farming from mods. What a sneak.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @l0k18 OP 11 Aug 2023
Concern farming. That would be why this issue and the solution got so much interest from the mods.
I didn't summon the mods up, they came by themselves. You can stop pretending now, we know what we are looking at.
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