0 sats \ 15 replies \ @0330830bf9 21 Aug 2023 \ parent \ on: Lightning Labs: "BOLT12 offers - when the pigs will fly." bitcoin
Blockstream has always been den of shit. Do real Bitcoin companies get 100s of millions in VC dollars just to disappear it into a Tether platform? No, but Blockstream does because they're a puppet organization.
If you knew nothing else about them, affinity scamming their client as "Core" is a blatant sign of their hostility.
ACINQ is a great lesson in why mobile nodes are a mistake and will never be viable receiving wallet. Instead of building a great LN implementation, ACINQ instead spent years fucking themselves into a corner with Phoenix.
Now that Phoenix distribution has peaked, LN hype has faded, and competitors like Breeze and LDK move shit to the cloud (predictably)... their efforts in Bolt12 are an sad attempt at mitigating issues with mobile nodes. They're desperate, Bolt12 can't fix those problems, and their Bolt12 work is counter-signal we can learn from.
I have yet to see so many ignorant takes all at once on this site. Holy shit congrats, seriously.
reply
he is right that splicing and bolt 12 is peak phoenix, they are peaking so hard rn I can't stand it
reply
What are you even saying? Splicing and bolt 12 are game changers for many reasons including more protocol changes to come.
You can sit around speculating about who is the illuminati or boogie man you're afraid of while the rest of us build.
reply
Cope.
reply
Big ups for the Blockstream criticism, piemp. Don't hear too many Bitcoiners or maxis give them the shit they deserve for being the corporation that took over the majority of Bitcoin development, while projecting what they did onto the BCH team.
Everything else is a presumption of the worst case scenario, instead of seeing if things improve or not. I'd wait a bit first.
reply
BCH community is the toxiest community on crypto.
Nobody did anything to them, all the pain was self inflicted.
reply
Except for the fact that the guy whose company actually pulled off a corporate takeover of Bitcoin slandered them for "attempting" to do what Blockstream already did.
Say what will about the technical aspects of Cash and the team overall, but Adam Back is the Bitcoin equivalent to Vitalik Buterin: a massive piece of shit that contributes heavily to people leaving Bitcoin.
reply
Corporate takeover of bitcoin…
Nice try bcasher :)
What about Roger and Chinese corporations failed to take over bitcoin and now you have a shitcoin centralized in every level, being used by no one .
I prefer that version :)
reply
I argue there's utility in any non-Bitcoin crypto that shows its value.
Bitcoin, BCH and two privacy coins (Monero and Pirate) are all I care about. Everything else has fucked me, so I have no interest in it.
You also presume I wouldn't criticize Roger Ver for being very snaky with his "Bitcoin" sites and services. I'd respect him a hell of a lot more if he didn't have a site called "Bitcoin.com" and have it be predominantly about Bitcoin Cash. At the very least, crack jokes the way that community does and call Bitcoin "Blockstream Coin" while still differentiating between it and Cash.
reply
The site is the least issue, the wallet It’s closed source , full of shitcoins and adds. The news site is a propaganda machine.
When you send bitcoin cash on the bitcoin.com wallet you basically are using a centralized node used by basically all the BCH user (as the Bitcoin.com is the main wallet recommended to everyone from everyone), and the worst is seeing the community criticizing the lightnnng network for being “ centralized “ and criticizing open source non custodial wallet like breez or Phoenix for opening channels for you for cents , is just insane what is happening in that community.
Just because they bought the idea of buying coffee on the blockchain.
Hard pass.
reply
Can't argue for the majority of BCH users, but I'm not extremely tech illiterate.
If it's not a hardware of self-custodial software wallet, I refuse to use it (Strike exempt). Doesn't matter if it's Bitcoin, BCH, whatever the fuck.
I want to own my money.
Oh, and Liquid was a shitcoin propped up to make Lightning fail. Never forget.
reply
You own nothing if just one guy have millions of BCH and almost all the hash power.
You are all agains blockstream and liquid network but you dont realize that bch is not different. In fact Can be worst as the value of bch is trending down vs Bitcoin, at least in liquid your LBTC still peg 1:1 in value.
Sure , seems legit
reply
Par for the course Bolt12 proponent, snark and evasion because your ideas are shit.
reply
It’s normal to avoid idiots.
I see you are getting used to it.
reply