A neat question, is what are you prepared to do to secure some additional privacy? How far will you go?
I deleted WhatsApp in 2017. Meant I was unreachable to so many. But people still found a way. To many that’s bonkers, to some a piece of cake.
I care more about privacy than Boomers and more than Gen Zers. The tools are out there, just not for the mainstream. That said, these are the folks that still don’t believe they need it.
reply
I wouldn't uninstall WhatsApp, I want to be reachable and able to reach others. I need it to secure work and for work.
It can't spy on me by me just having it installed on my phone. It can only read what I type into it. If I want to have a private chat with someone, the moment they message me on WhatsApp I can say "let's move this to TG".
In some countries WhatsApp is how you call and text people. If you want to make a dentist appointment or call a plumber, you need WhatsApp.
reply
Of course it can spy on you
It's literally a spy app - why do you think that facebook offer the product for free - altruism?
They collect your network graph, your contact list, all the metadata of everyone you chat with, sensor information (microphone, gyroscope etc) and god knows what else
Just because "everyone does it" does NOT make it right, as a collective we need to resist this mindset to just send all this data to facebook (and by extension, everyone that facebook sells it to) just because everyone else does
Facebook is not private
And neither is TG! Why move to TG?!!
reply
TG secret chats are private and most of my friends have TG. It's open-source. I could install SimpleX, but would have no one to use it with.
WA won't collect microphone data if you don't give it permission; Android won't let it. I have 7 sources of income and some of them depend on WhatsApp. I'm not letting them go, because that would mean less sat stacking for me.
reply
deleted by author
reply
Made the switch to Linux and Graphene myself last year. The thing I would say, coming from any of the tightly integrated ecosystems, is you will drive yourself insane trying to replicate their experience.
Takes a bit of adapting to the FOSS way of doing things (which is typically chaining together a few reliable systems, rather than expecting a single seamless one).
Self hosting a NAS (contacts, calendars, documents and media etc.) was also a big leap, but one I haven't regretted.
reply
I'd move to GrapheneOS, but my banking apps would stop working and I'm still dependent on banking. There is online banking, but not all banks support it. Many are mobile only these days.
reply
I would go to the graphene os but it doesnt support my phone :/
reply
A lot. I'm also lazy a lot.
reply
reply
Lets see, were to start...
For ~7 years the state did not know where the fuck I resided, that felt great! For a couple of years I even lived for free smack in the middle of the city, in the tiny room behind the storage area of the shared studio & workspace that I ran, then using most of it for the last year, including interesting parties ;-)
Also I had a 52 foot liveaboard, old commercial vessel that I converted, had panorama view from that after ripping out the passenger seats, leaving me with a decent size, condo like space. Never registered that in my own name!
Here I drive 2 motorbikes not in my name, its kinda normal here, and can be "fixed" with a fine, just stay away from accidents and that will work fine for years.
I do have to register an address here, but that is at the old house at the moment. During the worst period in 21 I did worry a bit about surveillance and so on, but these days I do not bother, although I know I should be on silent.link rather than the national carrier...
The days where you can do almost whatever you want with your bank accounts here are gone now, but I used to stash cash in them after withdrawing my already taxed assets through ATMs, capital controls has been a thing in Europe for a long time, try existing without a legacy paycheck post 2020, it ain't easy!
Lately I've used Monero to pay for airfares using Travala, of course my real ID is on the ticket, but for sure they have no idea what the origin of the payment is. No problem in a region where paying cash at 7-11 is still normal for things like that.
I still have some gold that I stacked when meatspace imploded in 2020, that comes with some tiny worries since they've started asking for phone numbers... But that can be fixed simply by shopping around. Yeah its not Bitcoin, but still very much real money here, and anonymous if you want!
For all practical purposes I'm now off the maps, especially since I skipped filing taxes for 2020. That works out for me, please do not take that as advice, especially if the IRS goons think they own you...
Will I ever set up a fiat unit again? The micro-entrepreneur wants to, but my guts do not, not ever! As long as I can survive the next few years on Bitcoin, crypto services, some gold and cash and not least things like this and Nostr, well then maybe a DAO or two is enough :-)
As for our dog he is less careful, he also lets me abuse his phone with a Gmail account and whatnot! The tax goons will own his ass...
reply
Its important things
reply
I hate being spied on, by anyone.
reply
KYC is an attack vector used by governments to subvert Bitcoin
reply
We have been fooled to not accept privacy by default.
reply
reply
That's a private matter. You don't need to know. :)
reply
I dare say I care more about the right to privacy, than actually being private
Of course this means practicing, nay, insisting on being able to:
  • not have a phone number
  • no GSF on Graphene
  • linux OS on laptop
  • avoid real name unless legally required
  • avoid banks as much as possible
  • no facebook products at all
  • bare minimum microsoft/google (mainly occasional search/maps and github)
reply
So, I have a lot of thoughts about the internet and privacy that I won’t repost here (just scroll through my comments via my profile).
But basically - I care enough to move as much of my life as I can off the internet. I still have a few social media accounts, but I’m rarely on them. I got a notebook and use that instead of to do/reminders/notes apps.
A wise person I knew used to say “don’t do anything you wouldn’t want on the front page the next day”, and I’m trying to apply that mentality to every interaction I have with the internet, unless it’s via open source, regularly maintained E2EE.
I post from an anonymous account for preferential reasons, but I still don’t post anything I couldn’t stand to have associated with me irl.
reply
I think bitcoin means you will inevitably be surprised how much you should have cared. Future value of current privacy tracks bitcoin
reply
More than before.
It's a work in progress...
reply
As much as I care about my safety, my freedom, and preserving my wealth.
reply