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3795 sats \ 19 comments \ @faithandcredit 16 Sep 2023 meta

In light of recent events in Vegas where a man was murdered for fun, i have to ask if you support capital punishment? The news got me thinking what the solution is, and i think the solution is to punish the people that commit these crimes. Its not a very fun process, but i cant think of anything that would work better than the electric chair for this kind of people. And i know what i say is considered radical, because capital punishment has been almost phased out across the world, and the places that still do it, use lethal injections or gas, which makes the punishment just like going to sleep. This is pointless. Capital punishment works best when you use hanging and electric chair because that also sends a message. I mean capital punishment is not about taking the life of someone who dont respect life in the first place. Thats not going to work. Its about sending a message to any would be peer, that if you do this, we do that. So i say, bring back the electric chair. Its not pretty, but that is not the point. And not everything has to be pretty. Thats all.

You are crazy12.5%

Capital punishment is bad41.7%

Capital punishment has a place45.8%

Dont know0.0%

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1455 sats \ 3 replies \ @siggy47 16 Sep 2023

Expressly giving the government the power to kill? No thanks.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @faithandcredit OP 17 Sep 2023

It already has that power, its the basis for every law and tax :)

97 sats \ 0 replies \ @mo 19 Sep 2023

It has that power if you agree and literally sign to it

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @siggy47 17 Sep 2023

That's the reason I wrote "expressly".

560 sats \ 6 replies \ @k00b 16 Sep 2023

If our legal and court systems worked perfectly, I think there's a debate to be had.

But it isn't perfect and will never be and we end up executing innocent people.

1481 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 16 Sep 2023

I think people have trouble separating the question "Do some people deserve to be killed?" from the question "Should the state be used to kill people?"

My answer to the first question is "Obviously", but my answer to the second question is "No".

529 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 16 Sep 2023

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21 sats \ 3 replies \ @faithandcredit OP 16 Sep 2023

AFAIK the state by definition has a license to kill. This is what every law and tax is based on. Try not pay the tax, try not pay the resulting fine, try not show up for the resulting court case, try resisting the ppl that will force you to show up. They are allowed to escalate violence against u until you submit or is dead. That's the whole point behind the state :)

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @chairman_pretense 17 Sep 2023

This, technically, varies by nation.

As a rough rule if the police force are armed with lethal weapons then yes, the state fundamentally reserves the right to kill citizens.

Where the police force are not routinely armed with lethal weapons, is a statement that the state are civilians too. (In practice this is rarely the case due to factors wider than policing.)

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 17 Sep 2023

Wherever agents of the state assert the right to do things to you that you are not allowed to do to them, they are not civilians.

Wherever agents of the state assert no more rights than civilians have, there is no state.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 16 Sep 2023

I'm pretty sure they didn't get that license legitimately. What you mean is "The state, by definition, asserts a license to kill." I'm under no obligation to agree with that assertion.

486 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bitcoiner1 16 Sep 2023

I think that there is some very bad people who deserve to die for what they have done... But, the legal system make errors every now and then and this can mean the end of an innocent person.

Also the electricity is becoming too expensive... I would prefer to punish the bad guy working very hard to build infrastructure for the city.

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @k00b 16 Sep 2023

Yeah save the electric chair energy for bitcoin mining.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @newnym 16 Sep 2023

I do think there are crimes that are so terrible that the criminal should be punished with death. However I do not trust any judicial system around the globe to be competent enough to administer the capital punishment. So on that basis, it's a bad idea.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @mo 19 Sep 2023

YOU NEED HELP! - can’t see this option. I do not believe you can eradicate violence with violence. It’s immature, it’s abusive it’s disrespectful, it’s…

Violence is a symptom of fear, most probably due to early stage trauma not even you are aware of. Not gonna go into spirituality… just consider your actions and your thinking, you’d like it to be done to you?

Bitcoin is a peaceful revolution right, so what are you fighting for? Be in Peace is the response you are looking for

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @mallardshead 18 Sep 2023

There have been 194 death row inmates that have been freed since the early 70s. That's like 4% of everyone ever on death row. So how many innocent people have been executed? Is killing 1 innocent person out of every 25 guilty people acceptable?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TwoLargePizzas 18 Sep 2023

Honestly, I would argue that the severity of the the punishment is not likely to have changed their minds about what they did.

They're obviously troubled individuals so the real question is why / how did it get to the point that they thought it was funny to run a man down on his bike. I don't know the answer but I think that's a better question to be asking.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Public_N_M_E 17 Sep 2023

I'm not hugely fond of paying my taxes to support criminals who get to sustain a lifestyle in some ways better than mine. I don't think they should have the high end level of welfare that they do get. But I am much more pro rehabilitation than pro execution. Our courts aren't infallible, infact more often than not they're either bought out or just dumb as rocks to get something's as wrong as they have. That shouldn't cost someone their life. But yeah, less pleased that I'm paying for them to have a decent quality of life because we adhere to a basic quality of life idea.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @0330830bf9 16 Sep 2023

Doesn't matter, because it exists universally.

Even when it's not at the hands of the official state, if a society at large is ok with it, justice killings happen.

Laws are inelastic, while society is fickle and impatient. Many live on a standard of right vs. wrong instead of lawful vs. unlawful.

Whether it's the state or vigilantism, both are ugly and prone to mistakes.

They are also inevitable and we live in a neverending cyclical status quo of one or the other.