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LN's major limitation is we can only send to people who already have a wallet..
AcceptLN.com lets anyone receive LN first with just their email address. They get a welcome email with helpful wallet setup info and a claim link. No accounts, passwords, or KYC.
Free service, unless you leave your sats with us past 60 days, we are not your bank.
Looking for feedback on AcceptLN.com, feedback on Setup Your Wallet page, & looking for white-hats to pay through our VRP (acceptln.com/security.txt).
Michael Saylor did the same for all Microstrategy email addresses
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I believe he made all @Microstrategy.com email addresses also direct Lightning Addresses.
That's a bit different than our product - we're accepting payments into our wallet on behalf of email addresses, and sending them a claim email. You can use any email address with no pre-configuration at all.
It's intended for new users who have taken no action, to curb barriers-to-entry.
I wish the major email providers offered this at the domain level like @saylor did!
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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Great idea and thank you for building stuff for Bitcoin adoption!
I can see 1 general issue: As far as I understand it, the sender has to enter the email address of the recipient on your website to make it work. That means you are storing a lot of email addresses which turns you into a honeypot for hackers to collect emails (for sending scam & spam). I personally would also be pissed when somebody puts my (so far spamfree) email on some list without my permission (of course I can never prevent that from happening, but you kind of incentivize people to do so).
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I won't pretend to have read all of the code, but after the initial claim email is sent, I don't see any strict requirement why they should need to keep the recipient's plaintext email address on file.
The claim link in the initial payment notification email contains a secret that redeems the coins, so unless they need to send follow-up emails to an inactive payee, the email address could be discarded once the payment notification email is sent.
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Interesting! If that is true, that would be pretty awesome! I guess @acceptLN can clarify how they do it.
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This was the first thing about this otherwise cool idea that stopped me from immediately trying it. Glad you brought it up, thanks. It deserves some attention, in my opinion.
Would like to see @acceptLN responding with their thoughts / plans on this.
I personally would also be pissed when somebody puts my (so far spamfree) email on some list without my permission
Agreed. Which, btw, is why I'm a big proponent of single-use email addresses.
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We’re pondering the idea of integrating simplelogin, anonaddy, aleeas etc in-line — and even thinking about requiring you choose one, rotating the default.
Would be part of the new-user lesson. Thank you very much for your feedback,
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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Imagine if Email Providers like Gmail, outlook, aol, yahoo, protonmail make all their email addressed LN enabled. That will be the endgame
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150 sats \ 1 reply \ @Alby 2 Nov 2023
That's so cool!
Maybe you want to get in touch with us and present the tool to our community? hello@getalby.com
Congratz
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Thank you! Just sent you an email - the more eyes (and criticism) the better!
Onward,
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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141 sats \ 9 replies \ @kr 1 Nov 2023
cool idea! what happens after 60 days?
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Negative interest charged daily. Free for 99% of users, and the 1% that leave their sats, ignore reminder emails, are paying to keep the lights on.
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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You could optionally ask for "return lightning address". Like when I send someone sats over email using this service and they don't pick it up in 60 days, then it would return back to me to nout@stacker.news (and you can take some fee from that... 21% sounds like a reasonable fee)
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Thank you! Great idea. Would encourage more sat spreading, knowing that you could get most back.
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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This is the way. Return after 60 days and you take your share. I'd be totally fine with it. btw, service works fine. Just like others said, add the QR code instead of copy&paste lightning invoice.
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unless you leave your sats with us past 60 days, we are not your bank.
what happens after 60 days?
Negative interest charged daily
In other words, after 60 days "we are your European Central Bank" :)
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But is not forcing you to use it, like ECB... is optional. Is a big difference.
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it kinda sounds like you're banking on that loss.. its underhand and it unnecessary
just charge the fee, and charge for return-mail transparently
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We’re banking on Bitcoin adoption. The service barely needs to generate any revenue to pay for itself. The point of the 60 day limit is to stop people from leaving funds on our service. I appreciate your viewpoint though, if there’s another way to encourage that we will adopt it.
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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For example, Machankura returns the sats to the sender, if unclaimed for 7 days. It would be great.
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Could we have a QR code for when we claim the sats instead of having to generate an invoice
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Yes - and will accept Lightning Addresses too.
Also working on one-click, in-line payouts & partial payments to Phone Bills, Electricity Bills etc - so new skeptical users see that LN is not a black hole.
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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That is LNURL-withdraw
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310 sats \ 1 reply \ @moel 3 Nov 2023
The exit is where a lot of people leave their money unclaimed and then they rug us?
Anyways, I made a 100 sat test payment and my 99 return payment is now stuck 🙄
But seriously, if this works well, it’s a huge upgrade for Lightning and bitcoin usability 😃 👍
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Thanks for trying us out! Can you shoot us an email at help@acceptln.com so we make sure you get your withdrawal to you? We’ve done thousands of test transactions with all the major wallets and all of the potential failures have been pre-programmed, so it should be seamless.
Note that when you submit your claim it takes a few seconds to be automatically fired off to you.
I’ve zapped you 300 sats here as well! Thank you!
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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Just like what Machankura is doing with internetless feature phones in Africa. Good idea.
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Brilliant idea. This is how i would pay a no-coiner with lightning.
Tried it out sending to myself; One minor bug to report. After opening the claim link and submitting the invoice to claim the payment, my browser got an NS_ERROR_REDIRECT_LOOP error, which occurs when a web page tries to redirect to itself. A simple refresh fixed it.
Specifically, after submitting my LN invoice, https://acceptln.com/payments/claim redirected me to http://acceptln.com/payments/claim, which is what caused the error. Hope this helps.

Unrelated question, but do you plan to allow people to claim their payments by sending the sats to other AcceptLN invoices? On one hand, this would allow people to pay each other solely over email without ever downloading a wallet, which is crazy cool. On the other hand, it might allow for abuse because I could get around the 60-day grace period by simply sending the sats back to myself at the same email address once every 60 days.
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Thank you! Fixing this right now, and working on a no-refresh flow in the future, much cleaner.
Interesting idea - we’re not worried about circumventing the 60 days, if you’re taking some action that’s better than nothing. But we would really like to get folks setting up their own wallet and onboarding them beyond us. That’s our real goal. Maybe we offer a “30 more days plz” extension if they just haven’t found the time.
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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This is how adoption starts
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super lucrative business model that can be copied and scales! chur!
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @td 2 Nov 2023
This tramples any hurdles in the way of Lightning being brought to the masses
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Cool, great potential for improvement. Glad to see you are from El Salvador.
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Wow, looks amazing 👍
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looking for white-hats to pay through our VRP (acceptln.com/security.txt)
Do researchers have to submit any personal info to receive a reward (e.g. tax forms)?
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None - just an on-chain Bitcoin address. We are based in El Salvador, not the US.
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This is amazing folks! I like the idea. I'll test it. I'm thinking maybe organizations could see a real amazing use for it but we need to OP the sheeple first...
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looks like it has potential.
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This is cool...would be like paypal.
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Simple, yet so powerful!
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I like the claim payment method you guys have in check but will it be sustainable enough when other mails start taking LN txns
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When that happens we all win! Our goal is simply to grow adoption, not have everyone using our service forever.
Onward,
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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Adoption! Perfect goal. That's a Bitcoin spirit.
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Love this for new user acquisition, it's hella simple.
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Very Interesting 🤔
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Worked great for me. Thanks!!
Great thinking, it was another knowledge to everyone who used LN knowing that it was something that has pros and cons.
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while its interesting, im not sure this is enough to get traction
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wait so you just pocket stuff after 60 days or do you send back?
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thats the business model.. they have to make money.. to save you from the hassle of having a actual working address..
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To stop people from leaving funds on the service indefinitely we start charging a daily fee after 60 days. We send reminder emails at 1, 30, 60 and every 30 days after. We really don’t want to be long term custody wallet, but we also want to let anyone receive LN before setting up their own wallet. Open to suggestions for a better set of tradeoffs!
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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when the sender sends to a virigin ln address, transparently offer options of un-collected funds:
a) offer the 'send back for 5%' fee b) offer to donate to charity after 60 days c) offer to custody for 1% per month
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You guys offered free service, that's good but what does past 60 days means?
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Will I be able to set it up to send the sats straight to my node? I'm willing to pay a fee for that if needed (lets say you take 1 sat for each transaction as if it were a routing node).
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Technically we could do that - but our product is focused on onboarding new people who have never yet used Lightning and don't yet have a node etc.
Could you give me an example of how your idea would work? Happy to explore!
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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My idea would be simple, either make it work as any other LN Address or make it point out to an LN Address or LN URL.
I understand the idea for people who don't already use LN, but it would be nice to have the option, surely some users would say "I would for this to happen automatically and not have to redeem anything myself".
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I like it - although a true Lightning Address, that just works in most wallets, requires configuration at the server/domain level for your email address.
This would be a workaround where you could send your payers to AcceptLN.com, they type in your email, and can pay you "directly" to your node. By using AcceptLN you would save yourself setting up a web server or BTCPayServer, and just piggyback on ours.
We'll explore this soon! Keep the feedback coming, we really appreciate it,
Jamie AcceptLN Team
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