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5351 sats \ 32 comments \ @purpurato 1 Nov 2023 meta

A few days ago I met a guy and when we started talking about what we were doing, he said he was vegan and that he found there is a lot of potential for that in our country, as almost no body knows about it, and there is barely any offer for them, and he's running a startup that offers vegan products. Inside me I was thinking "yeah sure, vegan, you do your thing, but really why would I want to give up almost half the food I eat? This is ridiculous, these vegans are crazy". Then I told him I was into bitcoin and that I would soon host a meetup to talk about it and all the great things it brings, and how it solves so many problems we have etc.

Afterwards I couldn't help to think that probably he must think the exact same thing of bitcoiners that I think about vegans! A bunch of nuts that want to give up REAL money! Gimme a break, and they think they can revert the whole financial system lol poor idiots [Liotta laughing meme]. Sometimes I think being vegan is a little weird to people, but gladly I'm not a bitcoiner.

Have you had that feeling?

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2577 sats \ 8 replies \ @Undisciplined 1 Nov 2023

Since I am both a vegan and a bitcoiner, I can confirm the similarity in mindset.

Both are radical departures from the status quo based on deeply held principles that require major sacrifices of convenience and come off as crazy and vaguely threatening.

1263 sats \ 1 reply \ @elvismercury 2 Nov 2023

What are the deeply-held principles behind your veganism?

1249 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 2 Nov 2023

In short, I believe plausibly sentient beings deserve the benefit of the doubt when it comes to moral consideration.

410 sats \ 5 replies \ @Bullen 2 Nov 2023

Another vegan bitcoiner checking in, and I have also thought about how similar it is in terms of discussions. Getting the same old arguments, debunking myths et.c.

656 sats \ 3 replies \ @td 2 Nov 2023

Where do you fall on venison? Not a troll question. Deer populations in Scotland have to be managed for their wellbeing (ask Brian May). Any reason not to not waste the carcasses?

493 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bullen 2 Nov 2023

No harm. It might've read so, however I enjoy a discussion on the topic, it's just that its mostly the same conversation every time and almost never civilized, just emotions on opposite sides.

The carcass should be left to the ecosystem and not brought out of it and imbalance it further. There's animals/insects/fungi/et.c. dependent on it.

What most believe is helping the system is us humans trying to control what we already disturbed too much, and should in a controlled fashion step out of as much as possible.

For me the issue really begins earlier, why do humans think it's for the well being of a deer to kill it? Isn't that simply a contradiction. If there really is a need for population control, killing is not the answer. We can't allow ourselves to fall to these low standards.

460 sats \ 1 reply \ @td 2 Nov 2023

Thanks for the response. Nothing better than a civilised discussion! And nothing wrong with choosing to be vegan of course. The beauty of this whole thing is you get to choose.

On deer management I have heard first hand about mass-starvings durning bad winters, so in our arrogant human fashion we think we are doing these poor creatures “a favour” by reducing the numbers artificially so as to mitigate nature’s own cruel balancing mechanisms. However, I can’t help but think it might be the right way to go about it.

A low standard for me would be allowing an animal to suffer when I know I can do something about it.

I suppose this now circles back to whether before all this human action is ultimately responsible for artificially elevated deer populations. I don’t know the answer to that.

290 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 2 Nov 2023

My take is slightly different, but unsurprisingly it's closer to @Bullen's. What I think constitutes the "low standard" is that hunting is fun and meat is tasty, so the incentive to rationalize this behavior is very high and the incentive to look for alternatives is very low.

In principle though, I'm not opposed to particular animal products, but rather to the conventional means of producing them. If you found a dead deer and turned it into venison, I don't have any objection to that.

On the specific situation of overpopulation, I'm not a utilitarian, so I'm probably opposed. If it were extremely well targeted to eliminating only the animals in extreme states of distress with no hope of recovery, I'd feel differently. However, killing perfectly healthy animals for the good of the many is too close to moral reasoning that has justified many human atrocities for me to buy in.

241 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 2 Nov 2023

Howdy partner! I think that makes at least three of us on SN.

918 sats \ 5 replies \ @quark 1 Nov 2023

I expect most bitcoiners are vegans. It would make sense, they are intelligent enough to use better money, so they are also using better food and live longer to stack more.

21 sats \ 4 replies \ @Zepasta 2 Nov 2023

I expect most bitcoiners are vegans. It would make sense

No, quite the opposite, especially with all the recent "eat the bugs" discussions. Lately, I've noticed that more Bitcoiners are actually posting about their preference for eating meat than ever.

21 sats \ 3 replies \ @quark 2 Nov 2023

Where do you notice this, nostr? Maybe many are not still vegan but like when everybody buys bitcoin at their deserved price, everybody becomes vegan at their deserved time in life. ;)

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @Zepasta 2 Nov 2023

You are delusional. Sorry.

I will never "eat the bugs", just like i will never become a vegan.

21 sats \ 1 reply \ @quark 2 Nov 2023

It's ok. I understand. But never say never. Who knows? maybe those bugs are delicious. I haven't tasted them. Those who eat them say they are very good. I am not particularly interested to try.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Zepasta 2 Nov 2023

They (bugs) are victims aswell, just like the animals i get my meat from.

I will die on this, never ever i will eat bugs, id rather be vegan.

31 sats \ 3 replies \ @Zepasta 2 Nov 2023

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40 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bullen 2 Nov 2023

Nothing wrong with eating meat.

The dilemma is that there's a victim on the other side of the action to eat meat. Whenever an action has a victim you should consider the morality of such an action. And since this action to kill to eat meat isn't necessary in today's modern world - it comes from a want rather than a need - there's a great difficulty to describe the action to be rightful.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Zepasta 2 Nov 2023

I respectly disagree. I'm not gonna enter in arguments about this. Live you life the way you wanna live.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @JesseJames 2 Nov 2023

Amen to that

254 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 1 Nov 2023

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @john_doe 2 Nov 2023

Hahaha, nice joke. Among people who do not eat meat, there are people who do boxing, so in real life it may not be so easy. With a gun I admit I would likely lose though.

231 sats \ 1 reply \ @SatsCats 2 Nov 2023

Woohoooo more vegans :)

The correlation does make sense.

Bitcoiners tend to do their own research, and the large scale farming and meat industry is a sad rabbit hole to go down

40 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bullen 2 Nov 2023

Come hang out on nostr, there's at least a #vegan tag to follow hehe.

52 sats \ 0 replies \ @john_doe 2 Nov 2023

I think people base their world view too much on Twitter. I have never eaten meat in my life and it has nothing to do with vegans (it didn't exist back then). My Chinese friends always want to eat whatever animal they look at, dogs included, and it is fine. Some people like human meat, I hope they add salt to make it more tasty for them, and I am happy for them if they like it. It is just recently that people began to deeply care about what is in the plate of others. In some parts of Asia, people eat insects and it has nothing to do with Charles Schwab. I wish you a life full of steak diners.

31 sats \ 4 replies \ @JesseJames 2 Nov 2023

I don't know. A man who doesn't eat meat for other than medical reasons (like you gona die if you do) is a suspect in my book and would remove myself (or himself) from the situation. But that's me. YMMV. That's my story and I'm sticking to it... :-)

21 sats \ 2 replies \ @SatsCats 2 Nov 2023

They say 1 in 4 people are vegetarian, so you are purposely closing yourself off from 20% of the world's population.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @JesseJames 2 Nov 2023

I will hear what he says but it will treat it as "sus" ... is all. If that means I will talk to fewer people, so be it...

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @SatsCats 2 Nov 2023

Oh crap, that's 25%

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bullen 2 Nov 2023

Why?

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bitman 2 Nov 2023

Hey, nice insight!

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @SpaceHodler 2 Nov 2023

Well, most meat-eaters are omnivores and they eat vegan food too, but nocoiners don't own bitcoin, so there is no symmetry here. Most bitcoiners use both bitcoin and fiat, but vegans only eat plants. In other words, bitcoiners and meat-eaters are predominantly inclusive, vegans and nocoiners are strictly exclusive.

13 sats \ 0 replies \ @gnilma 2 Nov 2023

"Vegetable taste like sad anyways. Don't eat vegetables." -- Uncle Roger