App to Manage On Chain keys on Lightning Node
334 sats \ 19 comments \ @Wumbo 3 Nov 2023 bitcoin
Does anyone have a recommendation of an app on a lightning node that lets one select which UTXOs to include in an on chain Transaction?
ThunderHub and RideTheLightning apps does not seem to have the user interface to manually select UTXOs
I am usually good with managing UTXO for cold storage but have not found a good tool to do it on a Lightning Node.
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1010 sats \ 6 replies \ @xz 3 Nov 2023
Guess you may have an answer by now. If not needed to use a GUI, Just use balanceofsatoshis if running on LND.
bos fund bc1... MAX --fee-rate --select-utxos
MAX references the utxos you select from the interactive list.
Or
--utxo <outpoint> for an individual utxo or list of utxo seperated by a space.
bos fund --h
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10 sats \ 5 replies \ @DarthCoin 3 Nov 2023
CLI is only for advanced users. Make it happen in UI wallet apps if you really want to have mass traction.
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21 sats \ 4 replies \ @Wumbo OP 3 Nov 2023
Darth, you correctly identify I looking (hoping) for a GUI.
I am not as worried about creating new channels with certain UTXOs, more of I wanted to find a good tool to make moving funds in On Chain Lightning node wallet to cold storage wallet more controllable (Picking the UTXO)
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 3 Nov 2023
many users are looking for this. I understand you.
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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @xz 3 Nov 2023
Yeah, I have looked on Thunderhub/RTL, for example. I can see what you mean. There are some developments, I've not looked at LndBoss for a while, bit they seemed to have covered most of the features of balanceofsatoshis. It's available as an app on Umbrel.
But I think this might not fully address the fact that it should be a standard feature in all onchain/lightning node frontends.
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5 sats \ 1 reply \ @Wumbo OP 3 Nov 2023
Thanks, BOS and LndBoss seems to be the best option at the moment
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @xz 3 Nov 2023
No problem.
I know that the devs of both are very helpful to answer questions. Start9 seem to be integrating LndBoss too. Not sure bout raspiblitz but they definitely have BOS, in case you use any of those.
In case you need, documentation on commands here. https://github.com/niteshbalusu11/BOS-Commands-Document#fund
TBH, I prefer using BOS CLI, takes some time to get used to, but is easy once you get to grips with it.
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @DarthCoin 3 Nov 2023
Is not about the wallet interface. Is about the LN implementation that allow that feature. Until now, NONE of them (LND, CLN, LDK, Acinq) let you do coin control when is about to open a new LN channel.
Don't look at the wallet apps level, they depend on LN implementations.
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100 sats \ 0 replies \ @endothermicdev 4 Nov 2023
You can definitely specify UTXOs to use in Core Lightning channel opens. It's long been available by CLI, but RTL now also has a nice UI for coin selection. https://docs.corelightning.org/reference/lightning-fundchannel
There's a lot of flexibility available. You can even batch channel opens together and fund them externally.
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42 sats \ 4 replies \ @TonyGiorgio 3 Nov 2023
Yes they do. It's the PSBT opening flow. You can open channels from cold storage funds.
LDK ONLY let's you do it via external funds too.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 3 Nov 2023
LND too Please show me a demo how I can do that (selecting a specific UTXO) with LDK (Mutiny, Bitkit, Bluewallet).
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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @TonyGiorgio 3 Nov 2023
I made this guide years ago for LND: https://abytesjourney.com/open-batch-channels-from-cold-storage-using-lnd-electrum-and-coldcard/
LDK is a node library, not a wallet interface. To do it with LDK, it is here: https://docs.rs/lightning/0.0.118/lightning/events/enum.Event.html#variant.FundingGenerationReady
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 3 Nov 2023
OK that is good. Now try to translate that to a LN noob (are many here) that just want to do some few clicks in an app (for example Mutiny, Bitkit, Bluewallet)
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TonyGiorgio 3 Nov 2023
If anyone has support for it, it's probably Zeus. I don't know any LDK based wallet that supports selecting UTXO for channels yet, but I know all node implementations support it. I was just commenting on that.
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @deletedd 3 Nov 2023
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @DarthCoin 3 Nov 2023
seen... why do you delete it?
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @deletedd 3 Nov 2023
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 3 Nov 2023
I am still testing intensively Mutiny (LDK) to see how is going. I hope their team is better than Bitkit and BW and deal with these known issues.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 3 Nov 2023
Bitkit is a kind of nightmare... These 2 issues after more than 1 year are still not resolved...
https://github.com/synonymdev/bitkit/issues/770 and https://github.com/synonymdev/bitkit/issues/647
Bluewallet team also have no clue about where the funds goes... https://github.com/BlueWallet/BlueWallet/issues/5157
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