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285 sats \ 5 replies \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023
give him this and don't say anything else. Let him "digest".
https://github.com/Darth-Coin/BTC-flyers/blob/main/files/I-DARE-YOU-EN.pdf
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24 sats \ 4 replies \ @BitcoinIsTheFuture 10 Nov 2023
@DarthCoin you said “buy weekly small amounts you can afford” in the document. Then in my DCA post, you said don’t DCA. What gives?
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Zepasta OP 10 Nov 2023 freebie
If you have 1000 $, use it all to get BTC, dont DCA those 1000 $ over time, i guess thats what he meant.
For a normie that wants to get his feet wet, small DCAs are the way to go.
315 sats \ 26 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 10 Nov 2023
It was important to know if the landlord gives you a rent receipt. If he does, I don't know how that works, and it could mess everything up. It also depends on the laws of the country. As for arguments to convince him, there aren't many, at least I don't see many. The main argument is that he should study bitcoin and then decide for himself if it's better for him or not. I think the biggest barrier will be the tax barrier.
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9 sats \ 0 replies \ @Zepasta OP 10 Nov 2023
He does give me rent receipt. I dont know how this will work, hopefully someone with more knowledge can step in.
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0 sats \ 24 replies \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023
Why the fuck it depends?
A rental contract is between you and the landlord. That's it. Why do you have to involve a gov as a 3rd party into this?
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9 sats \ 10 replies \ @Zepasta OP 10 Nov 2023 freebie
Landlord will get cucked by gov if he is caught renting without a contract. I also get a lot of money back from tax benefits if we have a contract.
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10 sats \ 7 replies \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023
https://i.postimg.cc/MH4x8S8N/law-abiding-citizens.jpg
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @td 10 Nov 2023
I understand you are saying don't get caught, but some people can't afford to take that risk/don't want to take that risk. Do you describe your ideology as anarchist?
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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023
Is not about "being caught". Is about rebutting the whole authority and jurisdiction claimed by anybody over you, the living man.
You confront the taxman, you do not avoid it and hide from it.
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15 sats \ 2 replies \ @td 10 Nov 2023
Unfortunately he has the power to ruin me at present
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3 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023 freebie
That means you recognize yourself as a slave.
Slaves do not have rights, only privileges.
You have much to learn...
https://darthcoin.substack.com/p/natural-law-and-bitcoin
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Zepasta OP 10 Nov 2023
I live under Socialism. My rebutting wont do shit. People voted for this crap. My wage gets taxed upfront, there is no way to avoid it. The only way i can get some of it back is trough tax benefits, like having a rent contract.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Zepasta OP 10 Nov 2023
Im a slave. Just like everyone.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023
https://i.postimg.cc/jqBt6JcD/darth-facepalm.jpg
We really never gonna make it...
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Zepasta OP 10 Nov 2023
Rent is half my wage. With a contract i get like 20% back, it adds a lot. The landlord is the one that loses from having a contract he is the one paying the tax.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @td 10 Nov 2023
Out of interest, because your rhetoric on this is very strong; I have no idea where you reside, but do you pay any tax at all?
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023 freebie
It doesn't matter where you live (not reside), only slaves (aka shitizens) pay taxes.
residency is for inmates and sick people... not for free men.
0 sats \ 8 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 10 Nov 2023
I don't know how it works in other countries, but in Portugal, landlords can get in trouble with the taxman if they're caught renting without a contract.
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0 sats \ 7 replies \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023
https://i.postimg.cc/GpvgfvDS/cognitive-disonance.jpg
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0 sats \ 6 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 10 Nov 2023
I don't understand what you're getting at 😳
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0 sats \ 5 replies \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023
exactly what is saying in that meme. You've just prove my point.
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @0xbitcoiner 10 Nov 2023
I understand the meme, what I don't understand is what it has to do with the landlord. We must be talking about different things. If the landlord wants to comply with the law, that's his decision.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @td 10 Nov 2023
I'm not sure that he understands it himself. Come on Darth, spell it out for us dumdums. I don't understand it in this context.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @td 10 Nov 2023
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1285 sats \ 13 replies \ @aoeu 10 Nov 2023
My landlord for awhile was my father-in-law. I just asked him for a receiving address to his cold storage and sent him our agreed upon rent (converted the fixed USD rate to whatever it was in sats at that time). That’s how I orange pilled him. Our state has a renter’s property tax refund so he just filled that out for us with the dollar value of what I had paid to him (at time I sent it, not at what the bitcoin was worth at the end of the year). As far as the state is concerned, I was paying him in USD!
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10 sats \ 12 replies \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023
OMG statism is really deep into people's minds.
https://i.postimg.cc/mkCwf122/wngmi.jpg
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0 sats \ 11 replies \ @aoeu 10 Nov 2023
Well, sort of. You forgot to include the refund portion of my statement above, “renter’s property tax refund”. This is due to renters not getting the tax deduction benefits of paying the property tax like the landlord does.
How is it statism to pay less taxes?
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4 sats \ 10 replies \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023
less taxes is also theft... supporting taxation is supporting terrorism and the state.
Starve the beast if you really want freedom.
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0 sats \ 9 replies \ @aoeu 10 Nov 2023
While I don’t disagree, where I live taxes are something that you do have to pay unless you want to go to jail or risk going to jail. You are braver than me if you do not pay taxes. (Don’t tell anyone though because I don’t declare my “capital gains” from buying things with Lightning though. That’s an F’d up rule.)
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41 sats \ 8 replies \ @aoeu 10 Nov 2023
We don’t want you ending up in jail @DarthCoin
https://m.stacker.news/4539
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130 sats \ 7 replies \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023
No worry, Darth will not go to jail.
I was in front of a judge some times and I simply asked: "please show me any document, signed and consented by me, where I give to somebody else any authority or jurisdiction over me the living man."
Silence from the judge and the courtroom... I asked again and again, until the judge, declared cased closed and everybody went home, in peace.
If you do not know how to defend your sovereignty, you deserve to be a slave, for life.
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0 sats \ 4 replies \ @TwoLargePizzas 11 Nov 2023
Can I ask what you where accused of?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @aoeu 10 Nov 2023
You must be twins with Erik Cason.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ryu 10 Nov 2023
If that worked for you, I should give that a try.
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214 sats \ 1 reply \ @knorozov 10 Nov 2023
Tell him you really like the place, that you are sorry but you have to be compensated for the hassle of dealing with fiat with a 10% discount.
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33 sats \ 0 replies \ @DeltaClimbs 10 Nov 2023
This is extremely retarded. The offer is pay in bitcoin for a REDUCTION in rent for payment in bitcoin. You literally just said you think fiat is inherently more valuable than bitcoin, which is fucking retarded and pure LARPing. You obviously missed my talk from two days ago at Adopting Bitcoin.
To actually make it interesting, have a fraction denominated in bitcoin, and settle in whatever you want. example: 24 month lease at $2k a month is the ask. Instead, the rent can be $1.5k + 900k sats, or whatever you negotiate.
Welcome to multivariate, multidimensional price negotiation. It's an integral component to late stage fiat.
Oh, also, get a deposit to be a fixed amount of bitcoin instead of dollars.
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46 sats \ 0 replies \ @fredosha 10 Nov 2023
Just get his phone from him and download Bitcoin wallet on it and put him through.
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84 sats \ 0 replies \ @random_ 10 Nov 2023
Do an analysis showing 3 scenarios of paying rent over the last 12 months:
- all fiat
- 50/50 fiat bitcoin
- all bitcoin
Show a 3 line chart of the USD value he would hold each month.
The chart should speak for itself. But you should be anticipate any questions they might ask.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @beorange 10 Nov 2023
Just ask. Asking and using BTC references in regular conversations just helps making Bitcoin a natural thing. Bitcoin is currency and meant for precisely these use-cases, people just need to be used to it.
Go ahead.
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15 sats \ 1 reply \ @jgbtc 11 Nov 2023
Step 1: stay humble and stack sats.
Step 2: wait for hyperbitcoinization.
Step 3: buy your landlord's property.
Step 4: accept bitcoin for rent.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Zepasta OP 11 Nov 2023
https://m.stacker.news/4592
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9 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 10 Nov 2023
Took me some years to convince the landlord to take my sats...
But in the end he accepted.
You will need patience and teach him about.
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @OT 11 Nov 2023
Streaming money over lightning by the minute or hour might be something he'd be interested in.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Zepasta OP 11 Nov 2023
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 11 Nov 2023
I only know through podcasting apps like fountain.
Should be just a keysend thing
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @skreep_ 10 Nov 2023
wow a 1000 sat bounty!!
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @gd 10 Nov 2023
You're probably going to think this sounds stupid, maybe that I'm shilling some nonsense, probably even— that trying this isn't even worth your time...
Over the last year or so, I've been gradually learning the skill of negotiation and I'm trying to spot opportunities in my personal and professional life where I can increase my "amicably resolved conflict" rate. So your question popped out at me as one that negotiation could help.
I started with Chris Voss' series on Masterclass which blew my mind— there's probably enough knowledge in here for you to go from zero to a creating a negotiation strategy and your landlord being very happy about accepting Bitcoin:
https://www.masterclass.com/classes/chris-voss-teaches-the-art-of-negotiation
Then listened to his audiobook/read his book "Never Split The Difference"— There's enough in here to be able to apply these techniques to everything from buying a car to getting a pay rise:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Never-Split-Difference-Negotiating-Depended/dp/B07T7L39TN/
If nothing else— great life skill to get 1% better at. Bear markets are for building, after all.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @locomancell 10 Nov 2023
Tell him to get into SN... let him see with his own eyes
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @felipe_rce 11 Nov 2023 freebie
You can approach your landlord by highlighting the potential benefits of accepting Bitcoin, such as faster transactions, reduced fees, and increased privacy. Emphasize Bitcoin's stability compared to other cryptocurrencies and offer a trial period for them to experience the process. Assure them of the security measures in place and share success stories of others who have adopted Bitcoin payments. Keep the conversation professional and be open to compromise, addressing any concerns your landlord may have.
0 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby 10 Nov 2023 freebie
Depends how badly you want to make this happen. You can always refuse to pay in fiat but you may want to try being nice first.
"Hi, I am writing to inform you that I have taken a job that pays me in Bitcoin only. Seeing as my income will be solely denominated in Bitcoin going forward, I would like to pay my rent in Bitcoin as well. Please let me know if you are open to this option."
If he says no then say "ok, I understand I will uphold my end of the lease and continue to pay in fiat but I will not be renewing unless given an option to pay in Bitcoin".
It is very costly for a landlord to lose a good tenant. Even in markets with low vacancy keeping the same tenant base if they are high quality tenants is always better than incurring the cost of touching up the space and looking for new tenants that might end up being deadbeats and not pay rent. Landlords don't usually want to take this risk unless they think they can get significantly higher rent from the new tenant.
If he still doesn't capitulate you can just stop paying rent and tell him you will pay in bitcoin but not fiat. If he is adamant on fiat he can evict you and try to collect in court (major pain in the ass). Obviously this wouldn't be your first play.