613 sats \ 4 replies \ @supertestnet 14 Nov 2023 \ parent \ on: Mutiny Wallet forced closed, on-chain balance zero bitcoin
I disagree. One of the reasons they are not nonsensical is that they expose liveness assumptions about LN that many users (including wallet devs) did not realize it has or did not prepare for. Users often only learn when they get burned. More users are informed now, thanks to a perfectly innocent feature of zeus wallet, and that is a good thing. Also, LN wallets will have to handle hodl invoices better now, and that is good too. Hopefully, wallet devs will design better wallets as a result, including by disabling payments to destinations that they can't yet handle in a way that protects user funds.
ripping the bandaid off
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Also, LN wallets will have to handle hodl invoices better now, and that is good too.
Sorry for my ignorance, but I thought hodl invoices are indistinguishable to wallets? To them it just looks like the payment is still on route? Which is kind of a feature and not a bug?
So how could a wallet handle this case better if this case is not even reliably detectable?
On the other hand, iirc, Phoenix was able to tell that my payment is on hold when I used it to pay a bond on RoboSats 🤔
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Only way to detect it is having a list of nodes that create them. Ideally there should be a flag in the invoice saying that so wallets can act differently
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So how could a wallet handle this case better if this case is not even reliably detectable?
The main way has been by manually banning payments to LN nodes that are known for hodl invoices.
In the future, there will probably be more defenses implemented, like better ways to cancel a pending payment, charges for holding up HTLCs, etc.
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