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661 sats \ 11 replies \ @ek 31 Dec 2023 freebie
I don't trust them.
Proton Mail only uses E2EE when you send mails between Proton users.
If you send mails to other mail providers, they simply allow you to encrypt your mail with a password:
If you use that, they literally mention that you have to send the password on another channel that is actually secure.
So they basically admit that SMTP does not support E2EE.
So I would say in most cases, Proton Mail is useless when it comes to E2EE. If you rely on someone using the same mail provider as you, then you're not really using SMTP. You could just use any other centralized service. They probably don't even have to send a real SMTP message.
So I think they are mostly LARPing about privacy and security. To me, SMTP is unfixable when it comes to privacy. It's way too easy to leak a whole conversation on accident. One person not encrypting their reply is enough since usually, mails have the whole conversation attached. Boom, there go all your efforts to keep your mails secret, lol. Afaik, every mail server between you and the destination can now read the whole conversation.
At least they mention this problem at the end:
Source: https://proton.me/support/password-protected-emails
Btw, Mental Outlaw has a good video about them:
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96 sats \ 3 replies \ @sudonaka 31 Dec 2023
Mental outlaw is a complete larp bro proton is fine for a google replacement.
If you are saying it should be secure enough to do full dark web activities with- well obviously fucking not. It’s a centralized service
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @Eobard OP 31 Dec 2023
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @cyberpunk02 3 Jan
yeah most people just need to get off google, apple and microsoft
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 3 Jan
if it's just a replacement, is it really better?
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60 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 31 Dec 2023
Found even more admitting how what they are claiming to be isn't the case the moment you send a mail to someone outside of Proton:
Source: https://proton.me/blog/what-is-end-to-end-encryption#e2ee-vs-tls
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5 sats \ 5 replies \ @Eobard OP 31 Dec 2023
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @xz 31 Dec 2023
Thanks for posting this.
My signing-up would hinge on this.
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0 sats \ 3 replies \ @Eobard OP 31 Dec 2023
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @xz 31 Dec 2023
btw, I get the same results.
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @fishyness 31 Dec 2023
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Eobard OP 31 Dec 2023
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67 sats \ 0 replies \ @034b483ee7 31 Dec 2023
I had a paid Proton account for six plus years and then out of the blue my account was suspended. Their support totally sucks and I never did get a good answer as to why the account was suspended. It took about a week of emailing from a different account to unsuspected the account.
I'm no longer a paying customer for Proton and moving to tuta.com as my email provider.
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110 sats \ 4 replies \ @xz 31 Dec 2023
My take is, like with many things, they start out with the best of intentions and then get told they have to divulge customer private information because x y z.
I doubt that means it's totally without merit. If I forget about the negligible benefit (intra-protonmail messaging) it's actually not very private, but quite secure and reliable email service.
Then you got to ask, is that worth paying for. I suppose that's why there's a free tier. Advantages are negligible, unless you despise other cloud services (more.)
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50 sats \ 3 replies \ @Eobard OP 31 Dec 2023
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10 sats \ 2 replies \ @xz 31 Dec 2023
Yep. I agree on all points.
Where's Darthcoin to tell me to get on it and run my own server and it's not that hard?
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Eobard OP 31 Dec 2023
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @xz 31 Dec 2023 freebie
Yeah, sure, It's quite useful. But I just meant as in running your own SMTP email server.
I see nextcloud handles IMAP/POP3 but then you'd still need a server?
40 sats \ 0 replies \ @BountifulB 2 Jan
I trust them more than trying to surf in the clearnet, remember my passwords and back up my data on a thumb drive that is constantly running out of space
Their Proton Pass email aliasing is easy and almost worth the price of admission for me.
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50 sats \ 1 reply \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 31 Dec 2023
I suppose it depends on what you’re asking for? Like, do you trust it for what, exactly? I guess privacy, since that’s where you asked?
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Eobard OP 31 Dec 2023
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @Entrep 31 Dec 2023
I use it but I trust it as far as I can throw it
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