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630 sats \ 7 replies \ @benthecarman OP 6 Jan \ parent \ on: Rethinking Lightning bitcoin

Appreciate the kind words <3

This is because I took time to research, at least high pleb level, the pros and cons of lightning and thus I expected the channel liquidity and on chain fee limitations. You just writing this up and posing these questions to the public is helpful education for the masses, and needs to be elevated and repeated by others.

Yeah I think this is a lot of bitcoiners current situation, lighting works for them because they know all the nuances, but education doesn't scale, things need to be intuitive

737 sats \ 6 replies \ @Scoresby 6 Jan

education doesn't scale

While I'm sympathetic to the idea that things should be as intuitive as possible, it is pretty impressive what humans will learn how to do when they have an incentive.

Think of all the crazy weird things we do to be able to drive a car (multiple foot pedals, controls of many sorts, an entire genre of laws, insurance costs and fine print, gassing it up, tire pressure, oil changes, roads, signage...). If you presented a new tech and told an investor these were the things that needed building out, no one would go for it. But people wanted to go faster.

Lightning and bitcoin in general just have to keep being useful enough that users have a reason to figure it out. We need to keep plugging bitcoin use-cases into the wider world and people will figure out channel management if they need it to do what they want.

For me, the focus is on what bitcoin and lightning let people do that they couldnt before and really want.

1830 sats \ 4 replies \ @Scoresby 6 Jan

I'm gonna take this analogy further than it probably goes:

I have to manage my gas tank. 100 years of car technology hasnt solved the problem away from me. I have to make sure it doesn't run out. If it does I get stranded somewhere miles from where I need to be and it is a huge headache.

Sure, we have warning symbols and gauges, but we don't have a great solution that makes it so I don't have to manage my gas tank. We just built a really big infrastructure to help me do it.

71 sats \ 2 replies \ @Coinosphere 7 Jan

Great analogy. Unfortunately payment apps and online wallets never had gas tanks before bitcoin came along. They just had account balances so that's what laymen understand.

Getting them to understand that they'll need to keep up with a 'gas tank' will always be a hard sell because it just inherently feels unnecessary.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 7 Jan

I think the analogy still works, with your bank account, which you have to manage. If you keep spending, but don't keep an eye that your income > spending, you're going to be standard, miles away from anyone else but your friendly bank clerk

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 7 Jan

Tell that to people needing ETH to send USDT. I think they're close to getting it although it's indeed an epic clusterfuck of customer support.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @chungkingexpress 7 Jan

This is a good analogy, I might use it.

70 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 6 Jan

Agree, they need an incentive. Unfortunately my guess is for most this will probably be fiat rugging them in some way.