Incentivizing Bitcoiners To Do Chores \ stacker news ~bitcoin

826 sats \ 35 comments \ @kr 1 Feb bitcoin

This could be a really fun use case for AR devices in the near future, imagine all the gold coins on your display are actual sats that end up in your wallet when you complete a chore 🤯

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122 sats \ 16 replies \ @Nuttall 1 Feb

I have mixed feelings about this. Earning should come from struggle. Cleaning your home is a privilege and it is a way to cultivate care in your environment.

Like wiping your ass, cleaning house should be regarded as self care.

235 sats \ 2 replies \ @hodlpleb 1 Feb

Our kids are expected to do basic chores as part of living in a functional household

Our kids get allowance, to enable learning about money, no matter if they do their chores or not

We also will give them extra money if they do extra tasks beyond the usual

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31 sats \ 1 reply \ @Natalia 2 Feb

Our kids are expected to do basic chores as part of living in a functional household Our kids get allowance, to enable learning about money, no matter if they do their chores or not We also will give them extra money if they do extra tasks beyond the usual

Indeed, I guess the difference here is that you train your kids out of love, but it might end up different things when someone else controls the "behavior training", like what the "program designers" get from it?

54 sats \ 0 replies \ @Nuttall 2 Feb

We train them out of love but also to hep them take care of themselves. Gaming reward on yourself is healthy but gaming reward on other people is sorcery. It is mind control which many times I point out is the root of the term, government.

56 sats \ 11 replies \ @Natalia 1 Feb

I'm also not sure how I feel about it, the fact that someone need to be incentivized to do chores says a lot about the person?

Like I'm really happy to clean my own place and get things tidy - a clean home makes me happy:)

cleaning house should be regarded as self care.

yes!

150 sats \ 0 replies \ @Nuttall 1 Feb

I've gone through bum periods and I was miserable. The best way to gain a power perspective is to take care of simple things, gain momentum and tackle harder ones. Like Jordan Peterson telling young men to make their beds.

Or my wife says, "I make a wish that my teeth are clean. I brush my teeth and my wish comes true."

10 sats \ 9 replies \ @kr OP 1 Feb

we all have things that come naturally to us, and things that we need to push ourselves to keep up with.

what if this was an interface that motivated people to exercise by displaying coins on local trails and parks?

would you feel differently if the context was changed?

102 sats \ 7 replies \ @Natalia 1 Feb

would you feel differently if the context was changed?

not sure, but I don't want to go to any "crowded parks" at any "specific time" or be trained to do something ( bad ) in the name of being incentivized. 👀 so I guess it depends on what we are talking, and the only sustainable incentivizes comes from inside.

And what if someone takes advantage of those incentivizes? And there is no free lunch in this world - how do these programs make money?

31 sats \ 6 replies \ @kr OP 1 Feb

fair enough, it could turn into a pokémon go situation if everyone was chasing after the same sats in a particular location.

And there is no free lunch in this world - how do these programs make money?

good question, i’m not sure. if you were running such a business, how would you try and make money with it?

196 sats \ 5 replies \ @Nuttall 1 Feb

They make money by taking pictures inside your home. They sell the data or they farm it to see what you buy. You become a profile.

10 sats \ 4 replies \ @kr OP 1 Feb

good prediction, so basically in the same way facebook built up a digital profile of your life, apple and others are going to work to build up a physical profile of your life?

which do you think will be more valuable?

23 sats \ 3 replies \ @Nuttall 1 Feb

Unfortunately those parties sub out the work so the data miners are the same businesses and they exchange data with each other. This goes back to Nielsen families.

I don't have the exact details but somewhere the model is there.

On No Agenda this subject is covered in the media deconstruction.

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75 sats \ 0 replies \ @Nuttall 1 Feb

Gaming yourself is healthy! It's a very smart strategy. It produces endorphins when you achieve goals. Total self hack.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @kr OP 1 Feb

that’s fair, i feel the same way about exercise but i know there are many people who need the motivation to get outside.

what if we changed the context from vacuuming to running outdoors? would you feel differently about this?

69 sats \ 3 replies \ @nerd2ninja 1 Feb

I showed this to someone and they said it was a great way to encourage your kids to become hackers

I'm sold

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @kr OP 1 Feb

do you imagine this kind of interface making them more likely to want to understand how computers work?

352 sats \ 1 reply \ @nullcount 1 Feb

They'll find a way to trick the app into paying them without actually doing the chores.

https://www.vice.com/en/article/93aqg7/scientists-asked-students-to-try-to-fool-anti-cheating-software-they-did

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @nerd2ninja 1 Feb

Now this is the hope I have for the future, in spite of iPhone syndrome being a public display to the contrary.

354 sats \ 0 replies \ @fm 1 Feb

Just make sure to have a couple costumes around

46 sats \ 5 replies \ @grayruby 1 Feb

I pay my kids sats to do chores.

50 sats \ 4 replies \ @kr OP 1 Feb

do you think this would get the chores done better or faster? or is the allure of sats already enough motivation?

171 sats \ 3 replies \ @grayruby 1 Feb

I think if you gamify anything for children it gets them more engaged and interested. That being said kids have enough screen time as is so I am not sure I would want them helping out around the house or with the groceries or washing the car etc to be another screen time experience. I think there is value in them learning the discipline of completing work that needs to be done and being rewarded for working hard and doing a good job.

That being said. I really like where you are going with this idea. I don't think people comprehend the power of instantly settling, basically free, micro transactions that sats over lightning offer.

I know sMiles was testing something in the same vein of your idea where a location on the map (like pokemon go) had a bitcoin symbol and you could collect some bitcoin there. I have the app but I haven't enabled it because I checked the map and the closest location to me is in Toronto and generally when I do go back to the city it is for something specific and not to just wander around. But maybe I will check it out when I go down to a Jays game this summer.

50 sats \ 2 replies \ @kr OP 1 Feb

makes sense.

i haven’t tried out sMiles latest feature either, but might take it for a spin.

i hope they embrace apple vision pro too, it seems like their app would really benefit from AR technology

207 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby 1 Feb

Expanding on your idea a bit. Think about an enterprise application and Saylor has talked about this. There are countless trainings, policies and procedures etc that corporations undertake that could offer sat bonuses for completion or incrementally through the process to enhance engagement (I really want to pay attention here because I get 50 sats if I get a perfect score on the quiz at the end- as opposed to let me get through this, if I get 3/5 I still pass)

When I had my business, one of our biggest customers was office furniture/cabinetry manufacturer. They had some sort of employee training going on multiple times per week. Those were formal sessions where they gather groups of people in a room for training but there could also be more informal training/development initiatives where they could use sats as an incentive.

For example, last year I was working a p/t contract job for a custom home builder ensuring their various regional offices had all their compliance documentation (drawings, contracts, site checklists- etc etc) uploaded and filed properly to the shared company database. As all jobs do, the position required a bit of training and reviewing of policies and procedures etc, but their HR and training dept would send out periodic short training videos, documents, quizzes that you would need to complete by x date. In my case, because I was a contractor and my contract stated I must be up to date on all relevant training in order to validate my hours and have my invoice paid I had a lot of incentive. But this got me thinking what if a training and development department wanted continuous training on SOPs, H&S, customer service, company principles, cybersecurity and so on. What if they wanted to just remind employees of best practices. They could do weekly short 5 minute training sessions on various things and reward users for completion with sats. If completed within a given amount of time (say first 48 hours) you get some bonus sats.

To me it makes sense that this would incentivize not only completion but timely completion, and engagement as well.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @kr OP 1 Feb

yeah great point.

there are so many jobs and tasks in the economy that nobody really wants to do (yet are necessary), and this could be a useful way to nudge people to complete them well.

being able to reward super small actions with appropriate pay in real-time seems to be the big unlock.

prior to lightning payments, making super small payments wouldn’t have been feasible or instant.

275 sats \ 0 replies \ @kurszusz 1 Feb

I don't need a bonus to do chores :D Me and my wife always split the chores, but not in equal ratio... she make the bigger part. Btw, I like to make chores (indoor and outdoor also), with some exceptions, like washing dishes (we don't have a dishwasher) and to iron, but I make clean in the house, wash the windows...and I really like to bake / cook.

But your idea is good, IDK just how will be "measured" if the task is completed, and you deserve the sat reward, or not ;)

10 sats \ 5 replies \ @Bitman 1 Feb

From the link: Enzo Zadrima 🗓️⚡️ @ezadr This + lightning ⚡️ where every coin is 1 SAT , to incentivize your kids to do chores 🤯

https://archive.md/OvY9B/07e56e4363c832da5216487bf91b20ec08f219ed.jpg

@kr with Nitter dead is it possible to have a bot show alternative twitter links automatically displayed as comments in the future?

If not, a lot of people will miss out.

The above pic and words from your link came from it's archive. Could that be a way to auto-display tweets in future?

https://archive.md/OvY9B

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @kr OP 1 Feb

i wasn’t able to open those links

23 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bitman 1 Feb

I think it might be down to solving the Captcha puzzles (to prove you're not a robot) first.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @kr OP 1 Feb

didn’t get any captcha puzzles on mobile, just says safari can’t open the page