It is becoming increasingly difficult to distinguish cöown news from the Matrix from real propaganda and actual politics. A ''Bild'' newspaper article warns of a possible military conflict between Poland and Russia. It's no longer clear whether there are madmen at work here or whether there's a method to scaring the people.
199 sats \ 9 replies \ @kosmos 6 Feb
oooooor... russia is in fact in preparation for invading/attacking some parts of europe - and he will claim self defence.
As close as I life to the border - the scenario of a russian attack is real.
There is no fear-mongering.
Look what Putin is doing to the Ukraine - its not the other way around!
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33 sats \ 8 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
You need to put all what happened into perspective. the attacks and deaths of people of Russian origin in luhansk and the Donbass were real. there were thousands of them.
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0 sats \ 7 replies \ @kosmos 6 Feb
This sound to me like - you approve the action in the Ukraine.
And all the pro Putin propaganda - its terrible for me and all the people involved in this mess. And yes Putin and Russia is to blame for it - there is no way around that.
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5 sats \ 6 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
yes, it was clear that this would happen as soon as you withdraw to a neutral position in order to put things into a historical and geopolitical context. i am German, live in Spain and describe myself politically as a libertarian. But it doesn't help if you absorb the one-sided propaganda and, as soon as a discussion is possible, you stifle it with a knock-down, drag-out argument about being a Putin-versteher.
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21 sats \ 5 replies \ @xz 6 Feb
Which is moral/amoral
Putin-versteher
NATO-versteher
?
By the way, what is 'cöown news' :D
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42 sats \ 3 replies \ @erict875 6 Feb
It's complicated.
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5 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
It's really like that. For some hundred years. Try to put the UK into the ecuation and it really gets wild.
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100 sats \ 1 reply \ @xz 6 Feb
Yeah. I hope you didn't take that as a serious question.
I feel that behind the mask there's just a reality that is simply 'business friends group 1 and 2'. Both say they have moral high ground and throw shit at each other.
People who see things with slightly more nuance get lambasted for not being patriotic enough or simply not hating the enemy enough, and the media churns out rhetoric but never elude to the consortium of interests on both sides of the equation.
The UK (with other 'Western' nations) gets more shit flung at it these days because of its collective colonialist history. Nothing new there, I doubt Mongolian nomadic tribes were very popular when they raped and pillaged from China to Europe.
The US/NATO axis gets shit flung at it for obvious transgressions. PR.China claims that there is too much anti-Chinese sentiment in the world. Why, China is an angel. No? Russia, via Putin is the evil arch-villain we all must hate with scorn and derision.
One thing that is abundantly clear to me, from the Baltic to The Straits of Gibraltar, Europe gets pummeled by Business group 1 and Business group 2's shit throwing contest. Not to say that Europe is without it's own faults. I guess similar to an independent state like Taiwan, a superstate like the EU, tries it's best to navigate the conflict but is stuck in the middle regardless.
Some might say that in these situations the game is to play both sides. I think that's disingenuous. When you are relatively less powerful body nestled between larger opposing forces, you bend to the wind.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
Sorry. ''Clown News'' (fat finger syndrom)
Versteher is s.o. sympathizing with s.o. idea. In this case with an asshole. Normally, germans directly call me a Nazi if I take a stance opposite to their gov
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130 sats \ 7 replies \ @Undisciplined 6 Feb
I've been skeptical of the constant Russia fear-mongering, but that skepticism applied to them invading Ukraine, too.
I still don't think Putin has ambitions to conquer Europe militarily. He also doesn't have that ability, unless we've been wildly misled about the cost of current the war to Russia.
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548 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
That's more or less how I see it. But Russia seems stronger than anticipated.
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120 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 6 Feb
And, I think NATO seemed weaker than even its critics anticipated.
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302 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
That's obvious. These economies are running out of steam
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710 sats \ 3 replies \ @freetx 6 Feb
Its clear fear-mongering. I have no love for Putin, but imagine this scenario:
- The US disintegrates and balkanizes into separate regions.
- One of those regions, say Florida becomes very pro-China (after China funds pro-China president)
- The remaining US announces that any further incursion of Chinese forces into Florida could spark a war
- China announces it would like to include Florida in its military alliance and move nuclear missiles to the Florida - Georgia border...
Does anyone not see that this is a terrible setup that is poised for war? The idea that western forces should be deeply involved in this conflict is absurd. I feel for the Ukrainian people and fully support their right to self-defense. However, the US should not be involved in this....
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171 sats \ 2 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
Yes, you're right. above all, I also see these efforts by the Davos clique to drive America into a secession-like conflict in order to distract attention from Europe's weaknesses.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 13 Mar
When Has Poland 🇵🇱 prepared for war ?
Their sovereignty has depended on Prussia, Germany, Austria, Russia, etc
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10 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 13 Mar
They were building up since the Maidan 2014
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42 sats \ 1 reply \ @erict875 6 Feb
The situation is difficult to parse, but this podcast episode of Unherd provides three interesting views on the subject.
https://fountain.fm/episode/V6OGfjswuJVNBBcF5u4k
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @TomK OP 6 Feb
Thank You. I'll listen later
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