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Bitcoin-dev is now using Google Groups?

4601 sats \ 25 comments \ @IgnaciobTato 13 Feb bitcoin

The list of bitcoin-dev is now using google groups. No information will be shared.

Some arguement that that was not a cypherkunk spirit. Weren't there better options?

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787 sats \ 1 reply \ @quark 13 Feb

This looks like something I would read on April 1st

1431 sats \ 0 replies \ @petertodd 13 Feb

Mailing lists and discussion forums are inherently fairly centralized. But it's important that the infrastructure be not controlled by anyone with specific interests. Google is a decent choice for running the mail list, as other more “cypherpunk” solutions like ditching email entirely just aren't viable yet, and self hosting the infrastructure would put it under control of people who might have specific self interested reasons to manipulate it.

628 sats \ 2 replies \ @harrr 13 Feb

bitcoin-dev stuff is almost always obsolete, development moved to bitcoin-core-dev, and bitcoin-dev is populated by big blockers, clueless people and the like.

https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-core-dev

848 sats \ 1 reply \ @petertodd 13 Feb

“development moved to bitcoin-core-dev”

That is simply wrong, as anyone can easily see from the nearly empty bitcoin-core-dev archives.

bitcoin-dev has had plenty of detailed technical discussion in the past year.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @harrr 13 Feb

Thanks for clarifying, this adds important context to the insane move.

767 sats \ 1 reply \ @fred 13 Feb

There should have gone for a more decentralised platform or better yet build one

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @tomlaies 13 Feb

The Bitcoin core developer community sometimes seems so far removed from the larger Bitcoin community. I don't understand why that is.

They don't seem to care about migrating the repo to a decentralized alternative, they don't want to improve the distribution to decentralized infrastructures like torrent and they don't want to communicate on decentralized platforms.

600 sats \ 1 reply \ @benthecarman 13 Feb

No one likes using a Google product but there really wasn't any other alternatives. I recommend people actually reading the discussions on various options and trade offs vs just saying "Google bad"

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @BitByBit21 13 Feb

But Google is bad...

578 sats \ 0 replies \ @Eobard 13 Feb

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201 sats \ 0 replies \ @joda 13 Feb

What is the fear? That Google will shut down a public forum that has full history? They'll just move somewhere else. No big deal. The risk is of being mildly inconvenienced.

We're using all kinds of fiat infrastructure. Might as well use one with a lot of redundancy and up-time.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @JuanMiguel 14 Feb

Wait, what?

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @cryptofolyo 13 Feb

not acceptable

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @brandonsbytes 13 Feb

for google groups is really not usable. the UI or something make it so hard to read through. Good ol’ GNU Mailman is my favorite.

5 sats \ 0 replies \ @OT 13 Feb

Can't google just shut it down at a moments notice? And then you reason with bots to try get it back.

At least have a backup if you're really moving everything to google

42 sats \ 0 replies \ @BlueSlime 14 Feb

Google is evil but their groups platform is one of the few things they have stuck with and supported well. There are group communities that are 20+ years old.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @BITC0IN 13 Feb

would people be interested in a mirror for the dev mailing list here on stacker.news?

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @kristapsk 13 Feb

No information will be shared.

What do you mean?

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @KLT 13 Feb

There has GOT to be a better option in 2024.

30 sats \ 0 replies \ @shyfire 14 Feb

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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @lunanto 13 Feb

If you read the highlighted part of the image you will understand why they are using Google as a conduit which means they don't need an account on Google to do so