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Can I tip ppl directly or does it tip SN and then we withdraw later?
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All tips go to the user who you're tipping - SN doesn't take any.
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I'm the only one that before post think if the post can make money?.
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Probably not! I tend to think about it but post regardless. Hard to predict what the market wants.
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The beauty is that by posting, you will learn how much the market values your post and you can apply that knowledge next time :)
Sats earned are lessons learned...
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I have moved into a new position within my company and I am appalled at the mediocrity of other departments. I helped build this company from the ground up and we have seemingly lowered the bar in terms of performance. Hugely disappointing but confident things can be fixed.
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As a hypothetical situation, imagine a BTC block was filled up completely only with transactions to open or close lightning channels with the ideal minimum amount of inputs and outputs. How many transactions could we fit and what other variables would it depend on? (I'm guessing that if it was only purely opening txs it would be less vbytes than the closing one's?)
Just curious. 🤓
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Instead of adding support for altcoins they should spend some effort into advertising Bitcoin, and onboarding people who do not have a bitcoin wallet yet. Thats how you expand imo.
Adding altcoin support is not really gaining you new users, since altcoiners probably hold BTC anyway or could easily swap to it to use your service if they wanted to use it. I dont know if that makes sense. Supporting multiple blockchains will not grow your business getting people outside of crypto set up with a Bitcoin wallet will.
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My advisor ghosted me.
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You still have SN stackers to advise you...
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American celebrity is just the worst no morals, no ethics as long as you get your money it’s all good.
I came to this realization when Lebron James was doing Sprite commercials knowing damn well he nor his family drink that toxic waste on the daily.
Kids see this world class athlete chugging sprite selling the vibe with a side of diabetes! It’s a joke. But hey Lebron gets his Coca Cola gets theirs and public gets a health crisis that bankrupts the government treating chronic but preventable diseases.
Morality in this country is toast!
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it will swing back, people are waking up
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hi, i am a big fan of the microwave.
also the winners of the video game quiz will be announced soon.
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Microwave?
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Awaiting my winnings 😌
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I decided to learn Rust for a hobby project, what you guys think of it?
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Go ahead. I think the idea behind Rust is awesome. But the learning curve was quite frustrating for me. Maybe you have more luck.
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It feels like the SN algorithm is ranking posts more effectively these days.
The good posts are sticking around for a bit longer, and the extra time on the board seems to be creating room for better discussion.
One other benefit is that I no longer have to think about what time of day I make a SN post, the good content will generally find its way to the top of the page.
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The good posts are sticking around for a bit longer
I noticed this as well. A few weeks the big AMAs were already far down the morning after. Now it's much better.
I wonder why this is 🤔
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134 sats \ 1 reply \ @kr 12 Jul 2022
the decay rate algorithm has been slowed down, making it a bit harder for new content to displace old content on the top of the rankings.
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Cool I like
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I have a newsletter, currently writing 1 article/week. This particular week...I don't know what to offer/talk about bitcoin and I don't want to write just meaningless BS...if someone has some advice or topic, I'll be right here.
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Always wanted to do a newsletter, send me the link to yours I'd love to follow! Is it Bitcoin themed I assume?
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oh, you should try it sir
As for me, I began because at those days, I didn't want to repeat 4 times the same thing: what's bitcoin, where to buy, blablabla...so, magical solution: write. At first, I made a blog but with the pandemic, decided to start making more opinion and experience based and a newsletter seemed logic to me. Best choice ever.
My newsletter is La Hora Cripto, where I talk several issues about bitcoin and other topics related. My newsletter is spanish-text, hit the subscribe button.
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whats the link for it, would love to check it out
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Discuss bitcoin in poor and rural communities that don’t have internet access. How would you solve this problem?
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I haven't gotten the "you stacked XX sats" for a few days now, is that normal?
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yes- you are not a popular guy who makes AMA's? sucks to be you even if you helped growing this website
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Good content gets sats in my experience... @pony, which recent post/comment did you expected to get more sats on and you didn't?
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nope
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Ok, won't engage anymore
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Same. The new Algo gives no or almost no sats most of the time.
But when you get sats you will get way to much. It felt too concentrated in the first few days until now imo
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should be related to #42401
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ah that's probably it. I guess only good posting/commenting would give daily sats then?
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heres some upvote/sats. report back tomorrow 😉
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How you earn rewards now:
  1. Post a top ranking story in the last 36 hours
  2. Post a top ranking comment in the last 36 hours
  3. Upvote content that eventually becomes top ranking
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Is it possible that the trust algo will end up having too much of a feedback loop?
Example:
Days 1-2:
Those who upvoted stories that became top ranking see their trust level increased.
Day 3:
Those who earned higher trust upvote new posts from day 3, but not all of these trusted users vote on the same posts. And thus because the trust rank for those users was high (from properly predicting the top posts days 1 and 2), the posts they upvoted on day 3 don't rank because for any specific day 3 post there's not enough upvotes from "trusted users" to overtake the posts that ranked at the top days 1 and 2.
In other words, trust earned today is a double edged sword tomorrow, unless everyone trusted upvotes the same way tomorrow. And tomorrow's posts can never outrank today's posts as a result. If it weren't for decay, today's top ranking posts would stay there forever, regardless of voting on later posts.
My suspicion on this is because posts from a while back (e.g., 48 hours) are returning to the front page. If they dropped off the front page because of decay, I would assume they wouldn't return if there was new content getting upvotes. (and, it being Wednesday, there's no shortage of content and users / upvotes).
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I'm not seeing what you're implying with trust. Top ranking stories aren't what determine trust - they only determine rewards. Unless I misunderstand what you mean.
Highly upvoted posts are in fact stickier than something new that has a handful of upvotes. This was a recent ranking change because new, low quality stories, as determined by upvotes, were pushing out stuff that was older (but still recent) and high quality as determined by upvotes.
Prior: upvotes/time^1.3 where upvotes are weighted by trust
Present: upvotes^1.2/time^1.3 where upvotes are weighted by trust
1.2 might be too large, or 1.3 too small.
It sounds like you like more turnover of stories and less discussion?
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Top ranking stories aren't what determine trust - they only determine rewards.
Right, but two users upvoting a post that later becomes top ranking increases their trust weight, if I am understanding the following statement correctly:
In this release, trust is gained when two users upvote the same piece of content
SN release: enhanced trust algo and more tangible rewards #42401
But after seeing the algorithm from your comment above, I think I see where I was misunderstanding things. (Well, my misunderstanding is more based on me not previously spending time trying to understand how rankings and trust weighting really work.) But knowing the answer to this next question will help clarify things for me:
Are the trust weights re-computed in real-time as the request for the ranking occurs, or is the trust weight saved with the upvote at the time the upvote occurs?
Let me use an oversimplified example. Assume this is launch day for SN, and the current ranking algo is in place. There are only five users (A, B, C, D, and X). Only two items exist (posts #101 and #102, both posted by user X), and the upvotes occur chronologically as shown, but in quick succession.
UserItem #s upvoted
A#101
B#101
C#102
D#102
So at this point after these four upvotes, how would the ranking look?
Would item #102 be ranked first and item #101 ranked second? Or would it be the other way around?
I can't say because I don't know when the "trust weight" is computed. Here are the two methods I am thinking could be used, but I don't know which is used.
  • Trust Weight Computation: Real-time, when the request needing ranking occurs.
    At this point, I presume all four users would have the same trust weight. If so, then I'ld assume item #102 should be ranked in the top spot, as that is the newest content and everything else is ~ equal.
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  • Trust Weight Computation: Saved with the upvote, at the time the upvote occurs.
    I would assume that A and B would have a better trust weight because at the time of B's upvote, there were just two users upvoting and both upvoted 1 time and for the same item (item #101) -- i.e., "perfect, 100% in agreement". Later when C upvoted, C's trust weight would be lower because it diverged from A and B. And finally when D upvoted, both C and D's trust weight would rise a bit because they both upvoted for item #102, but that is 2 of 4 upvotes, and thus both C and D would not have a trust weight as great as either A or B. And if this is true, then item #101 would likely be ranked in the top spot, and the reason being that the upvotes were from users with a greater trust rating (assuming time decay in this instance is insignificant).
So my concern was that C & D would end up with a lower trust weight even though their behavior was identical to A & B (i.e., two users, voting similarly), but because their upvotes occur later, they get a lesser trust weighting.
After thinking this through further, I now think that you probably are computing the trust weighting in real-time at the time the request for the ranking occurs, and as a result I just wasted about 5 or 10 minutes of your time.
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I compute trust once daily, not in realtime. Trust weighted means that if your trust is .7, your upvote counts for .7, and if your trust is .9, it counts for .9.
Happy to help. It might be better to ask questions though so we can get on the same page quicker.
streaming sats would be better, like we will know when it shifts from 1sat/hour to 10 sats/hour to 100 sats/hour or 1 sat/second stream etc.
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That'd be interesting, but I'm not sure it's much better, because you definitely don't want a notification every minute. You'd still probably want only a daily report on how much you earned ... in which case there's really not much point to complicating things by sending them to you every minute.
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upvoting too!
if you’re one of the first people to upvote a great post, you’ll earn more than someone who upvotes it after dozens have already upvoted it
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Here's the proof to try and get my account back. My account being @andre