Most bitcoiners are contrarians, and as a previous shitcoiner (who lost money betting on losing horses and NFTs) I can honestly say that there is a peace and serenity with leaving discord groups full of people trying to hype each other up whilst secretly wanting to dump their bags on those people in the future + endless people entering the group to shill their special brand of shit. Once I joined Bitcoin telegram groups, the shilling stopped. I learned something very important, everyone is hoping that others will value their token so that they can sell it and make more USDC or BTC. This is just the cold hard truth. So as Pierre Richard and Bitstein like to say, "Everyone's a scammer", they all want your bitcoins. Additionally I learned that whilst my fellow shitcoiners were consulting with lawyers and talking about their favorite brand of paid tax software that can untangle the endless buys and sells and staking of DeFi, bitcoiners are talking about self-custody, not reusing addresses, non-KYC, peer-to-peer transactions and opting out of the fiat system altogether. Who cares if people say toxic, HFSP. Scam someone else out of their precious sats, I'm not a mark anymore.