Do you Downzap? \ stacker news ~meta

1776 sats \ 63 comments \ @grayruby 25 Mar meta

Let's have some fun.

Downzapping was an interesting feature added some months ago that allows you to pay some sats to essentially dislike a post or comment. I used it a few times in the early days of the Sports territory when I was trying to dissuade obvious sats farmers from spamming the territory with posts. It seemed to work.

I have never downzapped any genuine or well intended content regardless as to whether I like it or not.

What is your approach to downzapping? Do you use it?

Yes- bots/spam only26.3%

Yes- for content I don't like22.4%

Yes- it's fun to tear others down2.6%

No- never use it22.4%

What's Downzapping?15.8%

Other (comment)10.5%

76 votes \ poll ended

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620 sats \ 3 replies \ @siggy47 25 Mar

Very, very rarely. Never for a dumb post. I save it for the assholes who beg for it.

126 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 25 Mar

Yep, pretty much the same for me. If someone becomes annoying I do mute them.

126 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 25 Mar

assholes who beg for it

That's the phrasing I was looking for.

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

I am guessing this is the strategy of most stackers. I don't want to waste my sats on something just because I don't like it.

279 sats \ 5 replies \ @Undisciplined 25 Mar

I think I've only used it three times.

One was targeted at you, before I found out you couldn't see it. One was while a few of us in the saloon were trying to figure out what downzapping does look like. The only real one was some stupid post calling everyone racist. That's the exact kind of toxic internet content that I don't want SN to devolve into.

97 sats \ 2 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

I don't recall that post. Was that from the crazy leftist AJ guy who used to ask for sats for ramen? I used to try to engage honestly with him but I believe I have him muted now.

126 sats \ 1 reply \ @Undisciplined 25 Mar

It was. It was also shortly after he and I had a very long off-putting exchange. I don't want that energy any where near here. I haven't muted him, but I ignore anything he posts.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

I talked to him about baseball a couple times and he was fine but when he gets into politics or stereotyping every bitcoiner as a far right racist, misogynist and whatever other ist, I just can't be bothered with him so I muted him.

31 sats \ 1 reply \ @joelaw 25 Mar

What happens to the noter/poster when something is downzapped?

60 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undisciplined 25 Mar

As far as we could tell, there's no indication that you've been downzapped. It just causes your posts to be less visible.

319 sats \ 4 replies \ @kr 25 Mar

looks like there is a 10:1 ratio of stackers that zap vs downzap.

in march, nearly 1,000 stackers zapped content, and nearly 100 downzapped.

i wonder what the ratio on hacker news or reddit is… i think SN has the better system where it’s harder (but still possible) to push down other people’s content.

if it is too easy to downzap, it becomes easy to weaponize the feature and discourage all debates about a topic.

137 sats \ 2 replies \ @SimpleStacker 25 Mar

Speaking of Reddit, it seems to be an incredibly noob unfriendly place. I can't count the number of times I went on some subreddit to ask an innocent question, and it immediately gets downvoted or even moderated, with no explanation as to why.

I like how on SN, both upzapping and downzapping cost you something. Even though it's only a little, it keeps things more honest, as far as I can tell.

63 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

Yes, it seems without a cost, nothing deters incumbent power users from gatekeeping against newer users.

71 sats \ 0 replies \ @carlosfandango 25 Mar

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25 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

That's interesting.

423 sats \ 1 reply \ @DesertDave 25 Mar

I only pay positive attention to things I enjoy. Positive focus and reinforcement is best for me.

110 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

Good way to live.

155 sats \ 1 reply \ @Natalia 25 Mar

I guess it depends on how bad the content is - if I see any scam or worse things, then definitely downzap.

34 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

Makes sense. Seems to be most people's strategy.

162 sats \ 10 replies \ @DarthCoin 25 Mar

memes resellers must be downzapped !

10 sats \ 9 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

I didn't consider that use case. I think that's fair. If someone uses your meme without credit it is downzap worthy.

50 sats \ 8 replies \ @DarthCoin 25 Mar

One thing is to steal a meme and repost it, for fun. Another thing is to take a meme and post it to earn sats in a contest (see today's meme monday contest, with a meme from Corndalorian).

10 sats \ 3 replies \ @UCantDoThatDotNet 25 Mar

How do you know it was his meme? Is that against the rules of the contest made by the owner of the contest?

27 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 25 Mar

Why people can't be just creative and make their own memes for this contest? The meme was literally used from Corndalorian and removed the signature.

As I said, is nothing wrong to steal memes, but not for gainz. I always vote the memes that I see are new, new creations, prove that they put some effort in doing them, to deserve that prize.

That SN account is posting only memes on meme monday contest. Assmilker.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @UCantDoThatDotNet 25 Mar

Oh, also.

Imagine I find a meme. It's awesome, but has a stamp on it.

Why should I assume that the stamp is from the person who made it?

One could argue that, if I am going to share the meme, it is my responsibility not to potentially mislead future viewers of its origin. Perhaps the only good option is to remove it.

Further, if it is a great meme, and I go to find the person's account or website who put the stamp on it, and find that they have a bunch of memes I disagree with, lets say they promote kidnapping children, for instance. Perhaps I am obligated to remove it, and to find as many meme contests to spread it in as I can.

This is partly ridiculo absurdum for demonstration purposes but I think illustrates that there is perhaps a defendable position that the only practical policy is to let everyone do whatever they want with memes. (and let anyone who wants to downzap them, of course).

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @UCantDoThatDotNet 25 Mar

I didn't see it. Yea it's a gradient from removing a signature from the meme and presenting with a claim that it is your own when it isn't in a contest where you're supposed to post original memes, to totally original art.

Also gray area

a contest seeking 'the best bitcoin meme' (I can find it!)
curation (I have a dog in this fight). No one seems to mind if knowyourmemes or wayback machine or internet archive does it, but individuals catch flak all the time
most mememakers don't give a shit and just want to see the work get out there in the world. this is me. I'm honored if someone shares my work.
Corndalorian should speak for himself. Maybe that's his second account, maybe he doesn't care, etc
Lots of disagreement on IP

IIRC that contest didn't specify, but I still wouldn't feel right sharing someone else's unless it specifically stated that it was asking for any meme from anywhere.

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

Didn't know people do that. That's lame.

50 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 25 Mar

#479567

100 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

I downzapped it in solidarity Darth. Never heard of this guy. Is he a Darth wannabe?

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 25 Mar

idk, who knows... but I see many obscure accounts posting only for meme monday.

113 sats \ 0 replies \ @030e0dca83 25 Mar

Never. I didn't even know how it works before this post

113 sats \ 1 reply \ @0xbitcoiner 25 Mar

If my memory serves me right, I've only downzaped twice. Once for a reason I can't remember, and the other time was a post linking to a scam.

33 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

Seems like a reasonable use case.

147 sats \ 1 reply \ @Scoresby 25 Mar

Okay, how do you expect me to answer anything other than "yes- it's fun to tear others down"? It's clearly the best answer.

127 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

I said let's have some fun. I had to leave a little bait on the hook.

93 sats \ 1 reply \ @nerd2ninja 25 Mar

I'll downzap shitcoinery.

31 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

As it should be.

71 sats \ 0 replies \ @south_korea_ln 25 Mar

About once a day. 10-20 up, one down.

60 sats \ 1 reply \ @gnilma 25 Mar

Just on scammers and/or blatant obvious bots. Like many stackers here indicated, I don't want to waste my sats on bad content. I think I've only used it a few times, one on a post that was promoting a shitcoin airdrop, and a few more on a few bots that were replying to every post with the exact same comment.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

I think this is the primary use case but I am surprised that we have gotten 20% of the vote for content people don't like. I knew there would be some of that but I didn't think it would be that high. Although a very small sample size so a couple votes could skew drastically.

51 sats \ 2 replies \ @joelaw 25 Mar

I did not know there was a downzap option.

I did outlaw my first post the other day and it felt dirty. :(

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby OP 26 Mar

Now you are a true outlaw or is the author of the post the outlaw? Hmm

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @joelaw 26 Mar

Good question.

Moderators of a territory are similar to Sheriffs in a small town...on the internet.

Maybe that is what the mysterious Cowboy Hat is about in some way.

51 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 25 Mar

I always think twice when is about to downzap. Why? Because I have to measure exactly the impact of that downzap or the other way around is to reply with a meme.

Let's say I downzap with 100 sats. That downzap will not affect too much if others will not downzap too. That means my sats were thrown away for nothing.

But if I post a meme, as reply, on one side, the sats used to post goes to the same SN pool, but if somebody like that meme, I can get it back or even more.

So downzapping is not so effective, I test it few times with various amounts. Is not easy to outlaw totally a post/comment. And I think is a good protection against brigadeering downzapping.

So yes, think twice and only specific really bad comments to downzap. Don't downzap with your feelings, but with your brain.

1 sat \ 0 replies \ @anon 25 Mar

downzaps do go to rewards could be argued thus not wasted sats

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @justanumber 25 Mar

Only if someone really pisses me off or annoys me. I'm not downzapping something just because I don't like it because it's all subjective and a matter of opinion. And everyone's entitled to an opinion and a personal taste. If it's spam or just completely inappropriate for that territory or the specific post then I might, if I feel like wasting some sats

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @riberet19 25 Mar

I've never done it yet, I've never found a comment or post that made me think about doing it, maybe I've only been on SN for a short time.

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @StoneCodlHodl 25 Mar

I downzap only when somebody is being a total prick, or attacking somebody, or myself. Leave the feelings out of SN. I haven't seen any spam here yet, but I would downzap that too.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

Seems like a common strategy.

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @turker 25 Mar

I don't like shit shill posts in this space. Maybe I'm not good writer but I like to read this place a lot. I'm using pocket to save some of the posts also. When I see some shit shilling posts at there I'm downzapping it. No shit Sherlock! 🕵🏻

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @UCantDoThatDotNet 25 Mar

Still deciding my best policy for downzapping. Got to figure out if it does something different for a territory owner to do it. With great power comes great responsibility.

7 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

That's an interesting question because we know that different stackers carry a different zaprank so I would imagine that it would be similar with downzapping and a power user downzap would carry more weight.

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @oliverweiss 25 Mar

I did it once only, I downzapped rather offensive reply but I am not sure whether it had any effect.

50 sats \ 2 replies \ @Taft 25 Mar

I have used it only once. It was by misclick. 😁😁

Does this count? 😂

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

When you knew you did it by mistake did you zap the post after?

51 sats \ 0 replies \ @Taft 25 Mar

Nooo 🤦 I was new to SN at the time and didn't understand how the forum worked. "I Hope I didn't cause any harm to him/her." 😟

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 25 Mar

Thanks. I have always wondered what to downzap. Now I have the answer.

50 sats \ 1 reply \ @watchmancbiz 25 Mar

I have only once since joining. It was for reasonable reasons that the person was very rude to me first. Otherwise, I don't do it. I don't like to tear people down. I like to build people up, and I think ZAPPING is a great way to encourage this wonderful community to continue & grow 😇

5 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

Good way to be I think.

51 sats \ 1 reply \ @BlokchainB 25 Mar

Yep I downzap scams and hate messages anything I deem not suitable for this SN environment

50 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 25 Mar

Seems to be the common strategy.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Signal312 27 Mar

I've never downzapped. A couple times I've muted people whose content I really just don't want to see. Love that.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @anon 25 Mar

Nope. Anons can't.