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0 sats \ 8 replies \ @kr OP 25 Mar 2024 \ on: Florida bill requires parental consent for kids under 16 to hold social accounts tech
curious to know where stackers stand on this issue…
should the government play a role here? if not, what other solutions make more sense?
Nope. This will be unenforceable and force KYC. Terrible idea. Typical politicians pretending to care to gain power and people failing to take personal responsible.
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what is your preferred approach?
ideally one that considers things from the perspective of parents, as i think this bill is targeted at them
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I should explain. No bill. These people are not looking for solutions. They are looking for votes. Don't kid yourself.
- It is unenforceable. Things like Nostr make this impossible to accomplish. Any social network based outside the jurisdiction will be sheltered from consequences.
- Negative affect: Legal entities that run web sites affected by this legislation will have to collect personal info in order to be compliant. Same problems we have with financial institutions doing this. More exposure of our personal data up for grabs.
- Personal responsibility: People resist doing what is hard but is within their power. It is easier to listen to the politician that promises to make it all go away. Its a lie but it is seductive.
My solution? I don't have ONE solution this is part of the problem with how governments currently work. They assume we HAVE to all be under the same set of rules. This guarantees there will be people that are being forced to do things they do not want to do.
Personally, I think parents should look long and hard at how their children interact with electronics and the internet. Assuming that all children should have the same restrictions applied to them is foolish. Assuming some politician or web site should make these choices is also arrogant. I would never dream of making rules for other people's children's use of the internet. Why? I would not want that done to me.
If more parents actually took a more active role in this area of their children's lives there would be more of a demand for market solutions. There are some that exist but they leave a lot to be desired. Apple offers tools but they aren't great. I don't think there is enough demand for the types of tools that could exist. But far more important is having open dialog with your children. Talking about the importance of IRL relationship. The dangers of porn and other terrible things online. This is more than a tech problem. Its not an easy thing but it is far to important to be left up to the sociopathic leeches that we call politicians. It doesn't matter what party is advocating for a thing it seems to always be for the children and result in less freedom and security for everyone.
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What really annoys me about things like this is the fact that the people that advocate such "laws" complain when similar things are enforced on them that they do not like... I don't think I need to provide any examples. We should all be able to think of many.
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interesting take.
Apple offers tools but they aren't great. I don't think there is enough demand for the types of tools that could exist.
on this point specifically, what kinds of features do you think parents should be asking Apple and Google to build?
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With Apple it would be nice if their tools actually worked well. There screen time app / service is pretty buggy. It is also confusing that only a determined or tech savvy parent would be able to use it effectively.
My guess is that most parents want to be able to communicate with their kids as well as find them/know where they are. These tools work well. The negative side of things is ensuring they aren't being exposed to things that they do not want them to be exposed to. Apple's tools allow a parent restrict apps and web sites a device has access to view. Its just clear that they do not spend a lot of effort on this app. Most parents I've talked to do not use it because it is to complicated. It is entirely possible to give your kid an iPhone and lock it down pretty well. That said, this is not a replacement for a real relationship of trust. It isn't a replacement for communication and education on the risks online.
I believe many parents do not have the backbone to say no to their kids nor the willingness to put in the work to learn how to use the tools. The social pressure to give kids phones and access to social media is strong. That might sound harsh but I think this is really a cultural problem first, a tech problems second. It is not a place for politicians to stick their noses.
What is interesting about my take? I didn't expect anyone to find it that interesting. Seems pretty obvious to me lol.
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What is interesting about my take? I didn't expect anyone to find it that interesting. Seems pretty obvious to me lol.
this quote below from your first post really made me think, hadn’t really considered how when every rule needs to apply to everyone, unintended consequences will thrive
I don't have ONE solution this is part of the problem with how governments currently work. They assume we HAVE to all be under the same set of rules. This guarantees there will be people that are being forced to do things they do not want to do.
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Ah! I guess I've thought that for so long it just seem obvious to me. This is one huge issue with large democracies. Large meaning nation wide rules that cross culture, economic, and geographic areas. You see it all the time in the US when people from one region of the US can't believe people in another region just had some new law passed. Or a law repealed.
Before I learned to start ignoring politicians I used to get pissed off when some politician would say they care about my kids. I would think in my head. So you do huh? Well why don't you pitch in with some of that money I'm forced to send you every year. Where are you when they are sick?
These are lies we hear and we don't recognize them as lies. I wrote about lies like this yesterday. Its not nice to think the things I am thinking. It might not be nice but it is true. Talk is cheap. Politicians have very little skin in the game. As the years have passed I've come to believe that the reputational starting place for politicians should be the same as a tobacco company exec. They should be suspect from the start. I certainly do not think they are public servants or they are working for me. Two more lies.
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