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I need to stop buying wallets

371 sats \ 33 comments \ @RocketNode 30 Mar bitcoin

4/5 still work, 2 others that I can't find.

Next should be setting up a multisig with these and moving funds over.

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139 sats \ 6 replies \ @nullcount 30 Mar

The only people who need hardware wallets are the influencers that get paid to shill them.

Literally cost less than $5/ea to manufacture. Very high Idiot Index.

0 sats \ 1 reply \ @harrr 31 Mar

Literally cost less than $5/ea to manufacture

That's only relevant if you think your time is worthless.

10 sats \ 0 replies \ @nullcount 31 Mar

Your time is worth less... is equivalent to You have low time-preference

0 sats \ 3 replies \ @badabing 31 Mar

Same question as for Darth:

What do you propose for people securing considerable sums of bitcoin? For instance, wealthy people wanting to put some of their money in bitcoin and take self custody of it without too much compromises in terms of security. Do you think self/collab custody with hw wallets makes sense for them?

30 sats \ 2 replies \ @nullcount 31 Mar

The amount of wealth is irrelevant. You do not need a fancy calculator to keep a secret, or create a digital signature.

Just because a wealthy person can afford to buy expensive e-waste, doesn't mean they need it.

20 sats \ 1 reply \ @nullcount 31 Mar

Phones are pretty secure these days. Apps are sandboxed. You can flash them with hardened firmware like GrapheneOS. You can use a dedicated phone as a wallet and never connect it to internet.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @badabing 31 Mar

A pixel also costs some money of course, but thanks for the feedback.

100 sats \ 22 replies \ @DarthCoin 30 Mar

wasting sats.... I use NONE. I do not need any of those.

0 sats \ 21 replies \ @RocketNode OP 30 Mar

Need.. probably not. Since 2014ish, I've always signed txs from an air gapped device (outside of lightning's hot wallet).

0 sats \ 20 replies \ @DarthCoin 30 Mar

IMHO is too much paranoia with these HW. Use the 3 levels stash method and your hodl stash is absolutely secure. I had in the past some HW but I gave them away to noobs. Not useful for me at all.

Read more here:

But if you want to use those HW, go ahead... more sats for me.

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @RocketNode OP 30 Mar

I still have an offline setup that I use regularly. But my main use case is for when I leave this world. No one in my family would be able to understand my setup and recover anything.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 30 Mar

Why do you care what happen after you are gone? If they are not capable to obtain voluntarily the BTC from you meanwhile you are alive, that means they do not deserve them.

21 sats \ 3 replies \ @javier 30 Mar

I know people that use a HW but then they store the seeds of the HW in a book on their desk, or in the notes application of their phone. I've seen it with my own eyes.

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @DarthCoin 30 Mar

Like this one? 😂😂😂😂

10 sats \ 1 reply \ @javier 30 Mar

Man I have a pile of those from the late 90's that I should throw to trash because I don't have a disk reader anymore, and the content of them are pure ancient bullshit.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Undergotten 31 Mar

Literally me.

10 sats \ 13 replies \ @oliverweiss 30 Mar

if you want to use those HW, go ahead... more sats for me

I guess, I can find answer to the obvious follow up how question in your posts, but could you perhaps explain what do you mean?

21 sats \ 12 replies \ @DarthCoin 30 Mar

I mean that meanwhile some others are buying a lot of HW, I will stack more sats, not buying them. There are many methods to secure your wallets, without any expensive HW. But yes, require some basic knowledge of software and simple steps to do.

Yeah people love to buy these fancy toys, to feel more secure and create complicated multisigs for what? To keep 1BTC or not even that?

Multisig with multiple HW is necessary only when you a big company with multiple people accessing the company funds. But for a single user is over-complicating things for absolutely nothing.

Example here:

Please take the BTC if you can.

21 sats \ 0 replies \ @oliverweiss 30 Mar

Understand. Thanks.

10 sats \ 5 replies \ @Zathras 30 Mar

"Require some basic knowledge of software". How did that work out for Luke? A basic offline single purpose signing device can help a lot of people not shoot themselves in the foot. They can still do it, but it helps lower the chances.

42 sats \ 4 replies \ @DarthCoin 30 Mar

Luke is a really bad example for this.

We still don't have the certainty that everything he said is true. Maybe was just a way to make "a boating accident"...
Devs like that usually do mistakes
Just because he's a bitcoin dev, that doesn't mean he cannot do stupid things or the methods are not good.

As I show that simple example with steganography. Try to take the BTC if you can. But Luke not even that he did... he kept all his (supposedly) BTC in just one place. As I recommended: use the 3 levels stash. And each level will have multiple wallets.

Please read the guide I linked above.

10 sats \ 3 replies \ @Zathras 31 Mar

I think steganography is awesome, but using a hardware wallet is a much more straightforward standardized process. Walking normy friends through steganography seems like too heavy a lift.

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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @_error 1 Apr

Hey @DarthCoin

I managed to extract the sats from the cat picture 😁

Can I keep it?

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @DarthCoin 1 Apr

sure

0 sats \ 2 replies \ @badabing 31 Mar

What do you propose for people securing considerable sums? For instance, wealthy people wanting to put some of their money in bitcoin and take self custody of it without too much compromises in terms of security? Do you think self/collab custody with hw wallets makes sense for them?

20 sats \ 1 reply \ @DarthCoin 31 Mar

Is not about the amount. Is about the user capabilities and knowledge how to use wallets and software. I explained in this guide all stages of how to level your stash in 3levels. https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/be-your-own-bank-en.html

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @badabing 31 Mar

Ok, put it this way: newbies that want to acquire 5-10 bitcoin but don't have the skills to do so. What would you propose them as a solution that is secure but user friendly (not a lot of technical skills needed).

Would you propose them a singlesig or multisig? Would you advise them to make wallets on Tails USBs or to buy hw wallets from different vendors?