621 sats \ 11 replies \ @grayruby 6 Apr \ on: Rant: Young People are Getting Terrible Advice and it's Destroying Our Culture culture
Agree. Do you think the pendulum swings back to some level of normalcy on these issues as the distrust in institutions, media grows and leftist orthodoxy continues to get rejected?
One can hope. But I think the lies that @Undisciplined highlighted are especially entrenched in the ruling class. That makes it harder to dislodge because they control so much of the culture and knowledge making institutions.
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Gen Z does seem to be reacting pretty strongly, but I'm not sure they'll get things back to normal. Several people have highlighted the growing political and ideological divergence between Gen Z men and women. I can't imagine something more culturally toxic than pitting men and women against each other politically.
I see some people speculating that Gen Z women will realize that they were sold a bill of goods once they hit their 30's and start realizing they actually do want families. At that point, maybe the cycle breaks and they start offering the advice they wish they had gotten. I hope that's right.
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Good point about the gender political divide. Is it fair the say the bill of goods young women are being sold is the complete opposite of the bill of goods they were sold say 60-80 years ago.
Then: no sex before marriage. stay married no matter what. have a bunch of kids. taking care of the kids, the house and your husband is the most important thing in your life.
Now: have a lot of casual sex. stay single. no kids or delay having kids. your career is the most important thing in your life.
I know these are broad generalizations on one issue but I present them to back up my point that maybe the pendulum swings back to the middle a bit.
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I think that might be a fair characterization.
I feel like the bill of goods 60-80 years ago might have been the pretty intense gender essentialism that pervaded and what you describe was a consequence of that.
What I'm not sure about, since I wasn't there, is whether they had abundant evidence to know this was bad messaging.
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If you don't mind me asking, does your wife work? I thought you mentioned before that she didn't is the reason I bring it up and I wanted to comment that I think many women are now choosing to have a life more akin to what was thrust upon them as an expectation 60-80 years ago.
My wife works part time now because I am not really doing much but when I had my business and was working 50-60-80 hours a week depending on the week, she never worked and didn't really want to. She was happy to stay home and take care of the kids.
I know a number of women who are choosing this life. I am not saying many gen Zs will also choose this life but we do change as we get older.
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When I was in grad school my wife worked to help support us. One of my goals was to earn enough that she wouldn't have to take a job for the money. So far, she's been taking care of all the household stuff and childcare, but she's keeping an eye out for attractive jobs.
She's also long wanted to write a novel and recently she really got back into writing, to the point that it's like a job.
I've also noticed a lot women in our social circle who are less attached to the labor force than our mothers were. I take that as a positive development, since it seems aligned with what they want, rather than being imposed on them.
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That's great that your wife is pursuing her passion while also taking care of the house and little one. I do think things are shifting a bit. The other homeschool family we know in our area the wife does all kind of baking, canning, preserving, has a small garden. This is stuff she is passionate about and her and my wife were talking about putting together a little business to sell some this stuff at local farmers markets etc. I think there can be a balance where it doesn't have to be all career or all homemaker mindset.
Let's be honest, bitcoin will break your brain on the career thing. When you get into bitcoin and learn how "fucked" the fiat system is, chasing the next dollar isn't that thrilling anymore.
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I also think we're living through the early stages of a radical reorientation of work-life balance.
One of the things we talk about in labor economics is that women lead a lot of labor market trends, because they tend to be more marginally attached to the workforce. It's one of the reasons we study female employment more than male. Men basically just work as much as they can until they die. Boring.