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Dear community,
I received at a time non precised this week the following informational email (cf. screenshot attached) about CoreDev Atlanta 2022 from the usual gmail.com of one of the regular organizers of CoreDev events. Myself a former organizer of CoreDev events and with the usual Chattham House rules usually in vigor, I'll silence from whom I received the email, I'll just confirm it's someone listed as a past organizer on the CoreDev website.
I did exchange from this email address over the last weeks for issues related to Bitcoin development, and the interlocutor sounds to me to be the person I know from years of online and in person professional collaboration in the FOSS field.
Here the full text:
"All,
As part of the investigation into Luke Dashjr's announced theft of his bitcoins, I received a subpoena from the FBI wanting information about attendees of the October 2022 CoreDev Atltanta event in the days before TABConf2022. I was legally advised to corporate.
There was also an order from the FBI not to disclose this subpoena for a period of one year, which just expired.
Some of you were invited to the event and attended all of the days, and some of you stopped by for some period of time as guests. The original subponea requested much information but after pushback, the FBI agent agreed to the following subset of information about you, which I provided:
  1. your github username
  2. your first name
  3. your last name
  4. your email address (the one I've emailed you at here)
I do not have any details about the investigation or whether the subpoena was due to a targeted suspect or general information gathering as part of the investigation.
I apologize for this breach of your private information. Please email me if you have any questions. "
The formal existence of this FBI subpoena comes to me as new knowledge, even if recently I underscored the risk of FOSS contributors with administrative privileges to be targeted by a subpoena (cf. this link on the old bitcoin dev mailing list). Greg Maxwell and another former Debian contributor underscored legal risks affecting FOSS protocol development over the past years.
If the information is correct, at this stage which is still very uncertain, there is no knowledge if the claimed FBI investigation is conducted in the interest of Luke Dashjr's for the effective resolution of the theft of the coins, or for other purposes. I've never verified myself the public existence of the coins claimed to have be owned by Luke Dashjr, and there is certainly a doubt on the forensics methods that can be used by the FBI (which full-validation client they are using, in what language, and which version ?).
So far, I've not in my own name replied to the disclosure email. While I'm more or less officially in vacation from Bitcoin Core development to have time to study interesting thing like machine learning, as a maybe investor in the Bitcoin mainet blockchain since genesis owning potentially exotics ordinals, milli-sats, satoshis, wholesome coins or any other amount inferior to MAX_MONEY (src/consensus/amount.h), I'm very curious what the FBI is doing with this information, and I think the other ~30/40 attendees of Atlanta CoreDev who might have been illegally doxed too.
From a more legalistic perspective, for the FBI field agent or units in charge of the investigation, I'll certainly observe that all evidences might be irremediably tainted by irregularities arising from infringement of the 1st, the 4th, the 5th, the 14th amendment and the constitutional rights are recognized by the US Supreme Court in the Roe vs. Wade landmark decisions, and what is still left as a matter of State rights from Dobbs v. Jackson Women's Health Organization 2022's decision. I think there are few historical cases where FBI agents have found themselves committing perjury or committing misdeamnors related to the handling of digital transaction.
If you're a bitcoin, finance or tech journalist, I can only recommend you to reach out to one of the FBI official point of contacts, at any one of their resident agencies over the US soil and ask for confirmation of the existence of FBI investigation, and why there are have been a year-long subpoena in this case, and if the FBI owned evidences by the time it plausibly send a subpoena to one of the CoreDev organizer that could have ben admissible by the court dedicated to oversee subpoenas. I'm not an expert in what is the administrative authority of the FBI, if it's Merrick Garland's DOJ or one of the Congress selected committees, Ich weiss nicht.
As a former resident on the US soil, who have worked and working with a lot of US entities on digital security matters, I have true respect and real knowledge of the US culture. Still, my lawyers and myself, we can take the bet I know more about US history and US constitutional tradition than the statically average FBI employee.
I"m not questioning their more legitimate law enforcement activities to guarantee respect of the US administrative order and inter-states, traditionally centered about money counter-feiting or alcoohols illegal transhumance. I know they are plenty of FBI agents doing an everyday hard job from Washington to Florida to Massachussets to California, with integrity and dignity.
All that said, there are still a voluminous digital security matters to fix in Bitcoin, and the underlying Internet and hardware technical stack, and I'll keep collaborating in good faith with US-resident digital security-related entities like done in the past with the MITRE for CVE assignements, including when I'm often visiting the US soil for cultural reasons.
Cheers, Antoine Riard 000000000000000000000788ba18725b5570c5ffc313383a427382408fe5be9a - height 838676
PS: If you're a journalist and you're not sured about your US constitutional rights, as a reminder there has been a landmark decision in the 70s. PPS: If you're a FOSS contributor and you're not sure about your constitutional rights, you can reach out to the EFF / ACLU for legal assistance. EFF assisted Jeremy Rubin in 2013. PPS: If you’re a FBI intern and you’re bored with your day, at least use non-anon accounts to comment on this thread, thanks.
129 sats \ 3 replies \ @kytt 11 Apr
For anyone dealing with law enforcement of any kind:
Am I being detained? If not, bye.
If I am, I have no right to speak to you without counsel. Even with counsel, I still ain't speaking.
Most people "convicted" of anything are put behind bars because of shit they said, so let me give you a tip: SHUT THE FUCK UP.
If they had reason to put you behind bars without you speaking, it would be done already. Why do you think they want to ask you questions? If they ask you, "Are you so and so?" The answer is simple: "I don't answer questions". Or just respond with another question that doesn't give anything away, such as: "Why are you on my property?"
Y'all need to learn your rights. This video and this playlist are long, but very informative.
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Or just respond with another question that doesn't give anything away, such as: "Why are you on my property?”
That line of attitude, you have to own it. Generally, silence and knowing your rights can be more wise. And staying chill.
Like said EFF and ACLU have generally good ressources, though better to have this reviewed it with one of your own lawyer.
As often said in development circles from laborious years of CSW litigations, IANA.
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Definitely takes a mindset shift.
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Oh, and in the playlist, George sometimes calls himself a "sovereign citizen", but he used that phrase before it became the disparaging term that it is today.
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No, hasn't committed any crime, so goodbye.
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They are probably barking up the wrong tree. They are going to get so much information that they have to sort through that most of the stuff that gets sent to them will become irrelevant.
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I’ve asked around on to coworkers on the House of Reps side of Congress and we have not had anything to do with this. It’s coming from the DOJ. One of my lawyer friends mentioned it might have surfaced/become a thing given the ETF announcement and the success that the SEC and DOJ are seeing with the BTC ETF product. One of those okay now that this obviously is something we care now
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Thanks for the information, if correct.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Cje95 12 Apr
The only legislative branch I am unsure of is the Senate I don't have the connections over there but the House side is I asked people from Financial Services, Judiciary, and Foreign Affairs and nothing from the Majority there!
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Yeah more likely the DOJ, it’s good to know. Thanks.
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I would be very surprised if they don't already know everyone working on Bitcoin's i.d.s and addys
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Some people have many social ids for reasons. Like one social network account for work, another one for your hobbys.
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This is the sort of post that should get SN more eyeballs from the wider tech community and news
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I’m not the one who shared the name of the CoreDev organizer, who was apparently under the subpoena, on Twitter or to medias, from the public feeds that are available. So I guess multiple plausible recipients of the mails have reached out to journalists.
From the private reports I have so far, the subpoena is more likely true than false :/
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If that's true then you guys are seriously dealing with a lot of pain.
Not living in US, have just watched FBI thing in the movies. If the movies are any preview of what FBI does and how it goes about its business, it is cruel and don't care about any issues like privacy, decentralization, bitcoin and the likes
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Ask my friend Gleb Naumenko, who have lived the horrors of the Ukraine war since day 1.
He knows what are true pains.
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I know this might be the opposite of what you and the others might think but it has really become a badge of honor with industry disrupters to get investigated by agencies like the FBI. That is not to say the whole thing isn't terrifying if you are getting investigated or a good use of American taxpayer dollars but taking a step back so many people who revolutionized our way of life over the last 100 years were investigated!
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FBI budget ~10B a year.
Realistically, a lot of shitcoins have market caps just far above.
Indeed, one should ask how American tax payer is used.
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NGL pretty sure half the time if we just lit it on fire to generate electricity it would be a better use then what we are getting
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Invest in old good oil Texans oil well, a true value under Lindy test.
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Good ol black gold!
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Do you have a lawyer?
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According to CoreDev.tech website, the following list of people are regular organizers of CoreDev:
  • Adam Jonas
  • Mike Schmidt
  • Jonas Schnelli
  • John Newbery
  • Steve Lee
I’ll let them answer first if they have a lawyer.
Additionally, if the email of the CoreDev organizer is correct and authentic, there is a FBI agent responsible of the claimed subpoena case, we don’t have his name yet, and I don’t know if he has a lawyer himself.
Once I have those informations, I might answer yours.
From a quick review, your stacker account does not have a lot of technical proof-of-work assigned to it.
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