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It's not exactly what either of these figures were getting, but I'm reminded of
  1. Heraclitus' "Character is destiny" and
  2. Nietzsche's ideas about transcending morality.
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Yeah I love those ideas as well, because they share the goal of Christianity to transcend and find true meaning and life. The core difference is, christian philosophy says we're only able to find fragments and shards of those things within ourselves and the world around us. We're broken reflections.
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