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By modern UN definitions division is like this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Europe#/media/File:Europe_subregion_map_UN_geoscheme.svg
But by the "West" we usually mean culture, not geography. Otherwise, UK, for example, is also not part of the West.
That is more relevant
I disagree, we aren't living in times of Cold War anymore.
Ukraine will never be part of the west culturally or geographically or geopolitically
Yes, Ukraine will not be part of Western Europe culturally, they are different (I have been in Kyiv). But they are key for other nations to be able to exist as independent countries. Architect of Latvian independence war general Peteris Radzins wrote about that ~100 years ago. He also precisely predicted back then that without independent strong Ukraine Latvia has 20 years of existence, until Russians will invade again.
Latvian independence general said this in 1920?
When did Ukraine lose independence in 20th century?
1918? 1931?
Latvian independence general said this in 1920?
Yes, around 1920. He also served in general stuff of Ukraine before that.
When did Ukraine lose independence in 20th century?
In 1918/1919, they fought for independence, but didn't succeed.
They also had attempt to create first anarchist country in the world back then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makhnovshchina
Ukraine lost independence during the Russian Civil War between the Reds and the Whites.
Reds defeated Whites who had support from USA and Europe
Whites who had support from USA and Europe
Also Japan. It was purely economic thing, Russia owed a lot of money to them, so they didn't want bolsheviks to take over, as they would not pay their debts.
True but the bigger reason was ideology and geopolitics. The west did not want communism to spread
It’s the geopolitical definition since 1946
That is more relevant
Roman Empire fell because of over extension.
NATO will collapse if it continues to over extend