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Stack Overflow bans users en masse for rebelling against OpenAI partnership.www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/artificial-intelligence/stack-overflow-bans-users-en-masse-for-rebelling-against-openai-partnership-users-banned-for-deleting-answers-to-prevent-them-being-used-to-train-chatgpt
613 sats \ 13 comments \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears 8 May tech
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173 sats \ 0 replies \ @elvismercury 9 May
I take what's probably an unpopular view on this one: people are super happy to benefit from other people's content. They consume it with abandon, they block ads if they can, they do what they can get away with. That's well and good, go ahead, but acting like it's some big moral thing when other entities -- companies, in this case -- make use of what you've freely given in ways you didn't expect -
I just don't feel it. You relinquish all control to everything when you put it online. If you cringe in horror at someone making use of it, keep your mouth shut, that's my philosophy. It's the wild west and has been since 1970 or whenever.
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86 sats \ 2 replies \ @Satosora 9 May
Everything you put on the internet is not yours anymore. Have to be careful how other people will use it against you.
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10 sats \ 1 reply \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears OP 9 May
True, and it's a variation of the rule about posting saying anything on the internet you don't want everyone to know.
But a difference here as far as the scraping/AI stuff goes is that a third party scraping data from Stack is compiling a dataset they've got no right to, which may limit its use in an LLM, while Stack has the right to license the data out.
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12 sats \ 0 replies \ @Satosora 9 May
I dont know all the rules exactly. I am just saying, if you arent comfortable with it being used against you, dont post it.
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26 sats \ 4 replies \ @rtr 8 May
Ben continues in his thread, "[The moderator crackdown is] just a reminder that anything you post on any of these platforms can and will be used for profit. It's just a matter of time until all your messages on Discord, Twitter etc. are scraped, fed into a model and sold back to you."
Someone just realized the importance of hosting your own infrastructure. C'est la vie.
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5 sats \ 3 replies \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears OP 9 May
So how's hosting Stacker News working out for you?
Seriously, there's a certain point at which any sort of forum tool requires someone hosting who you have to give some trust to (even Nostr's decentralized system sends the messages through relays).
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @rtr 9 May
Huh? Sure. But the goal is to minimize the amount of trust and control that you have to give to other people. I host a Nostr relay for myself, for example.
Sure, I might have to use someone else's relays for reach but I always have a recourse in that my notes are also being sent to a node that I control.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears OP 9 May
Ah, gotcha -- I'd read your initial post as being about the data being scraped/sold, not deleted/taken out of someone's control.
But even there, unless you only stick to nostr or a few similar tools, there's loss potential everywhere -- I may have some of my SN posts saved, since I often compose them offline, but not all of them. And probably none of my comments. Ditto for a bunch of other sites from Livejournal to Reddit. Most are probably ones I'll never need or want to revisit, but there are probably some exceptions I'll lose at some point.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @rtr 9 May
That's just the nature of hosted services and the web and the only way to amend that is to actually have control over your data.
It could be through self-hosting or at the very least archiving your online data.
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @tolot 9 May
This follows critically the dead internet theory. Nobody cares about hosting their website, nobody writes blog posts anymore, nobody tries to live digitally outside from paywalled gardens and others' servers. In a serverless digital society the servers are simply of someone else. And now we are paying the price of it.
PS. Waiting for a StackerOverflow-like platform on Nostr
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @StillStackinAfterAllTheseYears OP 9 May
True. It's related to enshittification in its own way.
I feel like there's StackOverflow potential on SN if someone wants to craft a territory for it, but I could see someone developing a fully separate tool as well using Nostr.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @tolot 9 May
Yep. No offense to anyone, but SN is simply someone else's server, just like StackerOverflow. I've no issues with SN btw, simply highlighting the fact that it would be not an advancement. Building it on a neutral protocol would possibly generate a different outcome in terms of no censorship etc. Clearly there's an issue of spamming and, if referring to "correct" and "wrong" stuff, there's the risk of people abusing it by posting notes that cannot be deleted. That is an advantage of Nostr that is difficult to manage with this other kind of "forum-like" discussion platforms.
Anyways, forums (like StackerOverflow or SN) are still way better than the paywalled gardens like damn Telegram, Discord etc. Anyone is moving to these solutions and we're not realizing that the usefulness of information relies on its availability. stuff on telegram is not reachable easily. Same for Simplex btw.
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @WeAreAllSatoshi 9 May
Perhaps L402 is a solution to this - V4V
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