Hi All - A few years back when I visited El Salvador on Bitcoin day, it was very exciting to see people adopt a Bitcoin where they previously didn't have bank accounts. Please note I haven't been in a couple years, so things may have changed, but I'm sure this issue is will occur in other places around the world.
Everything went decently, and at the time one of the issues was some people didn't have good phones to accept/send Bitcoin. Some didn't have good service as well.
I've been thinking about this, there are potentially other countries out their that would consider adopting Bitcoin from a legal tender standpoint, but they don't as a percentage of their population doesn't have a reliable cellphone or network connectivity.
I tried paying this musician in El Tunco, and unfortunately, I couldn't scan the QR code because her screen was cracked. She had the wallets, she knew how to receive, but I couldn't scan. There are many more individuals like this in the developing world who want to participate but don't have the money for a reliable smartphone. I had another vendor that didn't even have a smartphone so I had to pay in dollars. They make a few bucks a day.
What could be done to get individuals the tech to be able to transact with Bitcoin but don't have the funds? As for the connectivity, Starlink wasn't around at the time - and I believe this may solve a lot of these issues. I think this is a real hurdle to consider, but something that isn't impossible to solve with so many secondhand phones being discarded in America that are perfectly fine. How can the flow of these discarded phones be redirected towards "Bitcoin Countries"?
Someone posted (may have been on nostr) about iPhones enabling tap-to-pay with LN (I think).
It is silly that you should have to visually read a QR code from one device to another, when the phones obviously have more efficient mechanisms of transferring information to each other.
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That's the exact ad I was thinking of.
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From a frictionless buying experience standpoint, are there plans to get this working into google/Samsung or Apple pay?
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QR codes in my opinion are more efficient. NFC requires the devices almost touch each other, QR codes work from a distance.
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That may be. I'm not saying to abandon one for the other. It just seems silly that a cracked screen should be an impediment when phones' core function is to send data between each other non-visually.
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That made me think... cracked screen is a quite common thing. People use their phones with cracked screens. Maybe this is an actual issue.
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It didn't occur to me, before reading this post, but I definitely know people who use phones with cracked screens.
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Yea, it could be the opposite problem as well where the camera isn't reading the QR code for whatever reason. Both LCD and Camera issues. I think most wallets should have the option for NFC if QR functionality fails.
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Once upon a time it seemed silly to me that people will actually use the screen to type and not physical buttons. To me it is still extremely inconvenient to this day (fat fingers). Nevertheless, the touch screen is so versatile that its versatility trumps this (to me major) inconvenience. In the same way the camera has became a versatile input device. It is used not only for its originally intended purpose (taking pictures), but also to transfer information.
As for the NFC... there are actually wallets that support NFC. Zeus supports it (I haven't tested it but I would guess it works).
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NFC would make payments much more efficient. TBH i haven't tried this yet, I know Wallet of Satoshi has NFC enabled pretty good from what I have heard.
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I think this is a real hurdle to consider, but something that isn't impossible to solve with so many secondhand phones being discarded in America that are perfectly fine. How can the flow of these discarded phones be redirected towards "Bitcoin Countries"?
Sounds like an awesome bitcoin charity idea. I have a few old smartphones lying around I wouldn't mind donating.
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501c3 Ideas :) - I think it would need to be bigger than just smartphones.
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Yes, unfortunately in order to have a full adoption on self custody, require a good internet infrastructure.
For weak connections and old devices, will be custodials. For good connections and new good devices, will be self-custody.
The wallet apps nowadays have to keep up with latest developments in software and will always require an increase performance and security patches for the device.
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Simple Bitcoin Wallet was designed by Anton Kumaigorodsky with the requirement for running Lightning node on an as cheap as possible Android. SBW may still be used as onchain wallet that is able to run on almost any device.
As for Lightning, we preserved this feature of SBW in its fork called Valet.
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I'll give this a look. Will this be available in most jurisdictions in the world?
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No limitations. Please do not hesitate to ping me on telegram (same alias) if you are ok to record some TikTok-like short videos basically for showcasing Valet features live.
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It would be great to set something up where thousands of discarded or donated smart phones could be installed with the relevant LN apps and then either donated or sold cheap to those communities around the world where people want to use bitcoin but don’t have reliable hardware.
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I think the business would need to be a charity, I don't think there is a way to make decent profits doing this - but it would help the world :)
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i like it
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How can the flow of these discarded phones be redirected towards "Bitcoin Countries"?
'How can' is another part but what you seem to suggest ia a great idea in itself. We know that these discarded or old phones do not provide much value to their owners and can be bought at much less price everywhere. But, just gifting these phones in the hope of adoption shouldn't be the target. The target should actually be 'Bitcoin Education' before thinking all of this. I see you saud that people know how to recieve or pay in Bitcoins in many developing nations but there are also many people who still don't understand 'how to simply use a smartphone' for Bitcoin related stuff. I will put stress on Bitcoin education more because only then we can see a proper change.
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You run a school. Why don't you open a Bitcoin school in collaboration with Stackers for INDIA..
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It's easier said than done...haha
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I completely agree! Eventually over time if countries do make it legal tender they will need to subsidize the phones - or people will be left out from transacting.
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For now, donation is the only solution. Anyone who has a second hand phone can donate it.
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We should organise and start a fraining school and then distribute resources. For faster adoption, we need to act fast.
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I usually bring products/devices to a bitcoin conference and know some people traveling to these regions. This requires some trust that the person will deliver it, but for me it has worked historically.
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Provide software and instructions so people can flash phones with graphene or something with bitcoin apps installed. Then dispersed people can send phones to a warehouse in El Salvadore for a standard lightning payment. This can be paid to a QR code included with the package once the phones are received, unpacked and tested. Then the El Savadore reseller can start distributing to the users and get their V4V with a markup.
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You've thought it all through, do you have a background in logistics/supply chain :D?
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no i just like bitcoin and doing stuff, seemed logical. if you really want to do it dm me
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One of the most significant hurdles for BCEs is the regulatory environment. Governments and financial institutions worldwide are still grappling with how to classify, regulate, and integrate cryptocurrencies into existing financial systems. Regulatory uncertainty can hinder the development and adoption of BCEs, as participants may face legal ambiguities or outright restrictions
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watch out for the LOL
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I remember seeing @JoeNakamoto's I FAILED to give out free money to people in Communist Cuba, and indeed, things we take for granted (like a functional smartphone and decent internet access) might not be available in certain countries, making Bitcoin adoption way harder.
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This is all on the brink of change with Starlink, open source social networks like NOSTR and other decentralized communication mediums. Bridging the gap is just a few years away.
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I half-agree with you about Starlink. Even in Brazil, its price isn't accessible to the "masses". Sadly, I can imagine it being available for the average Cuban.
As for NOSTR and other decentralized tools, that's probably the way to go, indeed.
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