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23 sats \ 5 replies \ @cristaiji OP 16 Jul
Do you guys think there was a conspiracy? Did law enforcement stand down to allow shooter a chance to get off a number of shots?
I don’t know but the sheer levels of incompetence on display seems unlikely….surely we should be asking if there was an operation to kill Trump?
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35 sats \ 3 replies \ @freetx 16 Jul
I don't have a theory on it. However the totality of events doesn't make much sense....
- Trump supporter? Or at least registered republican.
- No social media history
- No history of strong polarized political beliefs
- No documented mental health issues or reports from family
- Buys ladder that day and carries ladder + rifle from his car and climbs on top building -- in full view of everyone
- Chose same building that also contained sniper admin agents
- Reported to police by multiple individuals along with accompanying video of him on roof
- Reports that Secret Service was aware and took photo of him climbing roof
- Police climbed ladder after him and saw him with rifle then retreated
- Reports that sniper team was told to "stand down" and do not take shot until he shot first
- Secret service announces that they "probably will never be able to unlock his phone", then seems to reverse that announcement after public backlash
Again I don't have a theory on this. Is it possible its just a series of random events + complete incompetence? Sure...however something about the total lack of coherence seems off....
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41 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 16 Jul
Some of the events are definitely not random
Very skeptical he has no social media footprint
Even complete incompetence sounds unlikely
He made a donation to a left wing organization in 2021 for 15 bucks. He was 17 and made a donation on act blue website. He made a donation before he could vote. I wonder if his mom asked him to donate o her behalf?
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13 sats \ 0 replies \ @freetx 16 Jul
Very true. At the same time several pictures of him show him wearing vaguely "conservative-style" t-shirts....things with USA flags, etc. At shooting he was wearing Demolition Ranch t-shirt (popular youtube channel that while not political is certainly strong 2A supporter).
I have no idea what any of that means....being non-conspiratorial he appears to be like any other non-ideological young male. Vaguely pro-america with middle-of-road political beliefs that also supports some ACTBlue talking points.
Just doesn't seem like that would be a "highly motivated assassin".
Like you, the lack of any known social media is puzzling....I just don't think an average young person gets that extremely politicized without arguing about politics all day on internet.
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23 sats \ 0 replies \ @cristaiji OP 16 Jul
Yes thanks and nicely argued. None of it makes much sense - total lack of coherence as you say.
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13 sats \ 0 replies \ @SwapMarket 16 Jul
That was literally the last shot for Biden's second term. Missed.
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24 sats \ 6 replies \ @kepford 16 Jul
It is either dramatic failure or at the least intentional failure. There is a lot of suspicious stuff. With things like this I tend to go back to this thought process.
- I know the state is evil from what they do in the open and what has been exposed
- I know there are people with billions of dollars to make or lose depending on who controls the government
- I know that even if these conspiracy theories are all false, most people do not even know of all the things the government has admitted to doing over the years
- Even if true is the public going to accept it as true? After all they have already seen?
- I know that throughout history we have seen people stop at no ends to gain power
- Evil people are drawn to powerful positions and can be ruthless.
I usually end up with one question.
If this theory is true does it change any of the ways I think about politics or state power?
The answer for me is no. If true, it doesn't change the way I think about the US government, or the state as an evil force in this world. It doesn't change the solutions either.
It can be interesting to think about these topics but it also can be a waste of time and energy better spent elsewhere. That's a personal judgement call.
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55 sats \ 3 replies \ @Bell_curve 16 Jul
Secret Service incompetence has been building for at least 12 years probably longer
I read that the turnover rate is 48 percent. That is a lot
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13 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 16 Jul
That's interesting and it makes sense.
Have you seen "JFK: The Smoking Gun"? Of all the documentaries on the multitude of theories about the assassination this one makes the most sense to me.
The TLDR is that the USSS agents went out partying the night before(this was excused because they had been working very long hours) which seems to be undisputed. One of the riflemen was so hung over he wasn't able to fulfill is duties and a inexperienced agent was swapped in. When the first shot rang out he accidentally fired his rifle from behind and hit JFK in the head.
Everything that followed was a coverup of this massive failure. If it were true it would explain a lot and we know that these agencies first and foremost goal is self preservation.
I'm not convinced but it seems very plausible as a theory of the events.
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0 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 16 Jul
No!
Thanks for the recommendation
I will look for it!
Regarding reasons for turnover:
Burnout
High pressure
Declining morale
They usually leave for other jobs in law enforcement
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13 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 16 Jul
That makes sense.
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13 sats \ 1 reply \ @kepford 16 Jul
Incidentally if one disconnects from the two party system in the US and just observes you see over time that both sides push conspiracy theories and seem to lose all their logic when it suits their goals.
The democrats mock Alex Jones but peddle their own nonsense like the Russian nonsense with Trump.
For anyone interested in conspiracy theory kinds of things that are corroborated by people on the record check out "Legacy of Ashes: The History of the CIA".
After reading that book I remember thinking that the government was beyond saving. This was back when I was a voter. There are no conspiracy theories in this book but many of the things documented sound like it and were theories before they were documented by the actors in the stories.
The actions of the CIA often against orders from the Presidents are very interesting for anyone that denies the deep state exists and has its own agendas.
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13 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 16 Jul
Wikipedia
I consider this book one of the reasons I started seeing the state for what it is. It was at least part of my disillusionment with participating in the system
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11 sats \ 1 reply \ @94f66a6138 16 Jul
Seems like this was all "allowed" to happen--and then (as soon as the first shot was fired) the "lone" gunman was silenced.
"Case closed"
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13 sats \ 0 replies \ @cristaiji OP 16 Jul
The whole thing is so suspect. And there are echoes of the JFK assassination.
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