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Are We a Democracy or a Republic?
790 sats \ 25 comments \ @mo 22 Jul AGORA
The deterioration of a republic into a democracy, and then into an oligarchy is an old story. Rome is a good example.
The word "Democracy" cannot be found in the Declaration of Independence, or the Constitution, or in the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, or the Constitutions of any of the States.
It was not left out by accident. Our founding fathers wrote long essays of the concept, and left no doubt that it was not an error that they would not be foolish enough to make.
  1. THE SOLDIER'S TRAINING MANUAL1 issued by the War Department, November 30, 1928, set forth the exact and truthful definitions of a democracy and of a republic - this manual was ordered destroyed shortly after the "bank holiday" in the thirties by the infamous Franklin Delano Roosevelt (January 30, 1882 – April 12, 1945) thirtysecond President of the United States, so that he could institute a democracy utilizing social security as a means to make everyone a slave to the Federal Government. THE SOLDIER'S TRAINING MANUAL used for all men in army uniform, it gave the definition of democracy: (TM2000-25: 118-120 DEMOCRACY)
   "A government of the masses. Authority derived through mass meeting of any, 
   for direct expression. Results in mobocracy. Attitude toward property is 
   communistic—negating property rights. Attitude toward law is that the will of 
   the majority shall regulate, whether it be based upon deliberation or governed 
   by passion, prejudice, and impulse, without restraint or regard to consequences. 
   Results in demagoguism, license, agitation, discontent, anarchy."
  1. From James Madison, one of the members of the Convention charged with writing our Constitution, he wrote the following: "...democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been in violent in their deaths." The word democracy does not appear in the constitution of a single one of our fifty states.
  2. John Marshall, who was Chief Justice of the Supreme Court from 1801 to 1835 said: "Between a balanced republic and a democracy, the difference is like that between order and chaos."
  3. Alexander Hamilton, in a speech made on June 21, 1778, stated: "It had been observed that a pure democracy if it were practicable would be the most perfect government. Experience has proved that no position is more false than this. The ancient democracies in which the people themselves deliberated never possessed one good feature of government. Their very character was tyranny; their figure deformity."
  4. Ralph Waldo Emerson stated: "Democracy becomes a government of bullies tempered by editors."
  5. George Washington is his first inaugural address, dedicated himself to "The preservation...of the republic model of government."
  6. When asked about the form of government produced by the Constitutional Convention, Thomas Jefferson answered, "A Republic, if you can keep it." (Benjamin Franklin is reported to have said this also.)
  7. The Pledge of Allegiance says, "...and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands..."

Webster’s 1828 Dictionary definitions:

DEMOCRACY: Government by the people; a form of government, in which the supreme powers is lodged in the hands of the people collectively, or in which the people exercise the power of legislation. Such was the government of Athens.
REPUBLIC: 1. A commonwealth; a state in which the exercise of the sovereign power is lodged in representatives elected by the people. In modern usage, it differs from a democracy or democratic state, in which the people exercise the powers of sovereignty in person. Yet the democracies of Greece are often called REPUBLICS. 2. Common interest; the public. Republic of letters, the collective body of learned men.

Hallmarks of Democracy

  • "Mobocracy": rule according to the whims of majority public opinion.
  • "Judicial Legislation": rulings from the bench in conformity with "social policy".
  • "Democracy is a form of government that cannot long survive, for as soon as the people learn that they have a voice in the fiscal policies of the government, they will move to vote for themselves all the money in the treasury, and bankrupt the nation."
  • Karl Marx, author of the Communist Manifesto.

THE SOLDIER'S TRAINING MANUAL (TM2000-25: 120-121) REPUBLIC:

“Authority is derived through the election by the people of public officials 
best fitted to represent them. Attitude toward property is respect for laws 
and individual rights, and a sensible economic procedure. Attitude toward 
law is the administration of justice in accord with fixed principles and 
established evidence, with a strict regard to consequences. A greater 
number of Citizens and extent of territory may be brought within its compass. 
Avoids the dangerous extreme of either tyranny or mobocracy. Results in 
statesmanship, liberty, reason, justice, contentment, and progress.”

Hallmarks of a Constitutional Republic

  • All laws are written laws.
  • The lawful actions of government can arise from written authority only. The laws must be written so that any Citizen of average intelligence can understand it, otherwise it must be held "void for vagueness".
  • "I pledge allegiance to the flag … and to the Republic for which it stands..." United States Pledge of Allegiance."
  • "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government..." - Article 4 Section 4 of the U.S. Constitution.

Democracy- Two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner.

Republic- A pack of sheep dogs making sure no one is attacked.

Now you are aware as to why you don't have freedom; only color of freedom.

NOTICE: Information served herein is for educational purposes only, no liability assumed for use. The information you obtain in this presentation is not, nor is it intended to be, legal advice. Author does not consent to unlawful action. Author advocates and encourages one and all to adhere to, support and defend all law which is particularly applicable. If anything in this presentation is found to be in error a good faith effort will be made to correct it in timely fashion upon notification. VOID where prohibited by law.
The original source of this document was once available on https://www.freedom-school.com/are-we-a-democracy-or-a-republic.pdf

Footnotes

  1. Training Manual No. 2000-25; Published by the War Department, Washington, D.C., November 30, 1928; Prepared under the direction of the Chief of Staff. CITIZENSHIP This manual supersedes Manual of Citizenship Training The use of the publication "The Constitution of the United States," by Harry Atwood, is by permission and courtesy of the author. "By order of the Secretary of War: C.P. Summerall, Major General, Chief of Staff. Official: Lutz Wahl, Major General, The Adjutant General. ↩
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @watchmancbiz 5 Aug
We were established as a Republic, however now we are a minority rule! a very small group of elite globalist families that wish to control the world, cabal of satanic evil doers.
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12 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 5 Aug
We are a banana republic
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72 sats \ 1 reply \ @bc52210b20 22 Jul
Simple it's a Constitutional Republic if we can keep it.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @mo OP 23 Jul
hasn't it been sabotaged in 1930?
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42 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 22 Jul
Why? Why do you want to know? Regardless of what you believe if you are correct how does that change anything?
I grew up learning the arguments about the constitution. Here's what I've learned over many years of talking, debating, and arguing with people about government. Almost no one cares. They want what they want and are not interested in facts or evidence. They want their side to have power so they can force everyone to live in the way they see fit. They will mold the history and documents to match their desires.
One of the biggest mistakes conservatism used to fall into was debating the Constitution with those that want bigger government. It is fruitless. So why does it matter to you? If you just want to know the truth there is no shame in that but don't kid yourself. People do not let facts get in the way of their ideology.
This is why bitcoin is hopeful to me. It doesn't require ideological acceptance. It is a tech that works. It appeals to people's self interest. It appeals to greed. It appeals to truth seekers. It appeals to those that want freedom. Those that want sovereignty.
Democracy and Republic are little more than buzz words to most people. I suspect few can even define the words.
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121 sats \ 0 replies \ @kepford 22 Jul
To answer your question... its not an either or. Its both and it doesn't matter.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @mo OP 23 Jul
Thanks for sharing your experience and insights. They tell me a lot, and it's really useful to hear and learn from it.
I still in the opinion that all these political is just a behavior anyway, one can be in one side or the other, or in the middle... but I'm personally glad I'm looking from the outside.
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43 sats \ 1 reply \ @JesseJames 22 Jul
It supposed to be a constitutional republic but n reality we are corporate dictatorship...IMHO
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @mo OP 23 Jul
I agree with you and what papers say look'd to me different of what's happening in plain sight, worldwide, not only in the USofA. Anyhow, we are the blind, unable to recognize the difference and talking about it, I assume is something we can do to increase the avg awareness
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21 sats \ 6 replies \ @guts 22 Jul
Americans are screwed with both
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21 sats \ 5 replies \ @mo OP 23 Jul
are you doing something to improve?
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21 sats \ 4 replies \ @guts 23 Jul
I'm not American
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21 sats \ 2 replies \ @mo OP 23 Jul
Whenever you are, or nationality you believe to hold, you're probably subject to government restrictions.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 23 Jul
Cartels run the show in Mexico Police are paid off
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21 sats \ 0 replies \ @mo OP 23 Jul
Politics, Gov and criminal organizations always work together, that's a fact, more or less depending on the territory. In Mexico is maybe a bit more explicit and publicly known/accepted.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 23 Jul
Mexico
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21 sats \ 5 replies \ @Natalia 22 Jul
This page doesn't seem to exist. It looks like the link pointing here was faulty. Maybe try searching?
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79 sats \ 4 replies \ @mo OP 22 Jul
That's why I republished it here. Not available anymore, at least not at the source!
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21 sats \ 3 replies \ @Natalia 22 Jul
thanks for sharing, especially in these days 🫡 voting def wont get any freedom.
cc @DarthCoin @lux
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222 sats \ 2 replies \ @Lux 22 Jul
voting and electing are not the same thing.
in today's pirate democracy there's voting for a selection of candidates who don't represent the people/citizens.
in a republic each citizen elects his representative and has full veto power and other control mechanisms, the rep is his little bitch (pardon my french).
A republic is a true democracy because the people have the power.
demos - common people kratos - rule, strength
The declaration of independence, bill of rights, constitutions.. in USA secured the peoples/citizens allodial rights to land and property and only land owners can elect representatives as their public servants/officials.
#610052
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33 sats \ 1 reply \ @mo OP 23 Jul
I'm surprised people still behaving that their vote could make a difference. Politics, as run today, are just a show made to entertain a big audience.
This globalization thing at some stage will need to stop and ideally small local communities will be able to self-admin themselves sustainable without reporting to a control center.
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42 sats \ 0 replies \ @Lux 23 Jul
communities will be able to self-admin themselves
nothing is stopping us now to accomplish this, except beliefs
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67 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 22 Jul
The architects of the Federalist Papers, Jay, Madison and Hamilton were not fans of democracy. USA was founded as a Republic, even the Article of Confederation from 1776 - 1889.
The biggest change with the 1789 Constitution was a stronger Executive branch.
The Progressive movement between 1900 and 1920 sought to democratize the country and states and was essentially a project to overturn and dismantle the Constitution of 1789
From Brave search AI...
The terms "republic" and "democracy" are often used interchangeably, but they have distinct origins and connotations. Here's a breakdown of the key differences:
Republic
Originates from the Latin phrase "res publica," meaning "public affair" or "commonwealth." Emphasizes the idea of a government that serves the public interest, rather than a monarch or individual. Typically characterized by: + Elected representatives who govern on behalf of the people. + A system of checks and balances to prevent abuse of power. + Protection of individual rights and liberties through a constitution or bill of rights. Examples: United States, France, and ancient Rome (Roman Republic).
Democracy
Derived from the Greek words "demos" (people) and "kratia" (power or rule). Focuses on the direct participation of citizens in the decision-making process. Typically characterized by: + Direct voting by citizens on laws and policies. + Equal participation and representation of all citizens. + Majority rule, where the will of the majority prevails. Examples: Ancient Athens, some modern city-states or municipalities, and theoretical models of direct democracy.
Key differences
  1. Representation: A republic typically involves elected representatives who govern on behalf of the people, whereas a democracy often involves direct participation by citizens.
  2. Scope: A republic can refer to a national government, while a democracy can be applied to smaller units, such as cities or towns.
  3. Constitutional framework: A republic often has a written constitution that protects individual rights and limits government power, whereas a democracy may rely more on custom, tradition, or majority rule.
The United States
The Founding Fathers envisioned a republic, with a system of representative democracy. The Constitution establishes a federal system with elected representatives, checks and balances, and protections for individual rights.
  • While the US is often referred to as a democracy, it is more accurately described as a federal constitutional representative republic.
In summary, while both republics and democracies prioritize the will of the people, the key differences lie in the nature of representation, scope, and constitutional framework. The United States, as a federal constitutional representative republic, embodies elements of both, making it a unique blend of republican and democratic principles.
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21 sats \ 1 reply \ @mo OP 23 Jul
... a project to overturn and dismantle the Constitution
Apparently they succeeded, or am I worn? Regarding the definitions, we can assume that both concept apply, and they probably are. As @kepford said #618524 both apply and probably, at the end of the day, does not matter at all.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 23 Jul
You are correct. They succeeded in dismantling the Constitution and Bill of Rights, 10th amendment especially
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