122 sats \ 14 replies \ @justin_shocknet 23 Sep \ on: Telegram's Privacy Mirage: Why You Should Stop Using It Now privacy
Telegram doesn't shill itself as a privacy product
Shilling yet another turbonormie app store messenger is more evidence that privacy focused products spread only through virtue signaling, not substance.
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They do lack substance, what's laughable is how gullible people are for anything that suggests privacy is its primary differentiator.
But I guess some paid bloggers and spooks shilling Intel honeypots could have saved those middle east pager guys, they should have just downloaded signal 🙄
Tox is a genuine decentralised alternative.
Its just not 'cool' like Telegram (was) or SimpleX (is)- ie spruiked by touts as much!
most People are sheeple.
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Alternative in what sense?
I use Telegram because its simply the most performant and reliable option with a reasonable network effect. I even use it in a team setting because its so much better than slack. I don't expect any privacy.
Tox won't have that. It may be more private than Signal, but thats not saying much. It uses DHT so it's completely unscalable, and is subject to metadata leakage just like Signal and Nostr... at least Nostr has some network effect.
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If you want network effect facebook messenger and skype might be the best for you.
But if you want privacy- which is what Telegram was touted as providing, Tox can provide genuine privacy and freedom from centralised state surveillance vulnerability.
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Telegram doesn't position itself as a privacy product.
You also can't substantiate why tox is good on privacy vs anything else, it's another virtue signal.
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My impression was that Telegram did position itself very much in that way and that many (Bitcoiners esp) used it upon that misapprehension.
Consult this comparison and see how and why Tox is superior for privacy on all parameters.
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Proves my point further, it's all bullshit and so is everyone recommending something
You can't even defend tox, very lazy to give me a Wikipedia link... But I expect it because all privacy products are BS. Recommending something niche you don't understand is just another virtue signal recommendation.
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Toxes truly decentralised nature is the key. No other chat service matches it on all the parameters provided in the wikipedia comparitive analysis.
I gave you the link to the wikipedia comparison as you clearly are resistant/cynical about what I and others are saying so if you want you can consult that more neutral third party for their independent assessment which clearly shows Tox is superior for privacy.
If you primarily want privacy Tox is the way to go.
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No it isn't, it's prone to metadata leakage like everything else. Nostr is equally decentralized.
Why do you recommend it despite these facts?