In my humble opinion it's helpful to define some popular terms as they get thrown around a lot. Unless Bitcoiners, in my opinion, define terms we will never get anywhere in the Bitcoin space and continue to live the "eternal September." We need to be clear about who we are and what we believe while being communicative with others and receptive as to why Bitcoin is important and why we are here. This does NOT mean everyone needs to agree or be of the "same opinion"... but it does mean that words matter and during any important social or economic revolution (like the one today) there are competing groups with very different goals in mind. Without studying history, our history, in my opinion we are doomed to repeat it over and over... and possibly get taken advantage of.
For example, when studying English Literature or events in European History... different groups and factions present themselves again and again. Learning how these groups are different (for example Protestants and Catholics, Pilgrims and Puritans, Byzantines and the 'Holy Romans') and what they believe we can derive context and clarity. We can learn from history. Without context and clarity, however, things are absolute chaos and we learn nothing.
No-one has any ideas... (they say) no-one knows anything... "no-one believes anything"... and most importantly bullshit can run rampant. No the Roman Catholics and Protestants were not the same.
The Pilgrims and the Puritans were NOT the SAME.
Take this explanation of the differences between the "Pilgrims and the Puritans" (from English/American History): https://www.newsweek.com/whats-difference-between-pilgrim-and-puritan-397974

  • Pilgrims and Puritans were Protestants who differed in degree. While both followed the teaching of John Calvin, a cardinal difference distinguished one group from the other: Pilgrims were Puritans who had abandoned local parishes and formed small congregations of their own because the Church of England was not holy enough to meet their standards. They were labeled Separatists.
  • The far larger group, those we know as Puritans or Nonseparating Episcopalians, reluctantly retained attachment to the English Church but were determined to cleanse it of remnants of Roman Catholicism. These Puritans remained at home during the 1620s and, through participation in Parliament, tried to prod the Stuart kings toward toleration. They failed.

Now what if instead of this albeit long-winded differentiation between the "Pilgrims and Puritans" we just said...
  • "Nah they were just all shitcoiners".
  • "Nah nobody knows nuttin"
  • "They were all just like 'wen lambo' and like 'numba go up' and like"
  • "Hey they should have just STAYED in da' England"
  • "Stayed in da England and ya like listened to da King" cuz they got
  • "rugpulled with da NFT..."
  • "I mean who knew?"
  • "Coin haz dog" "XRP 2 da moon" "deploying capital..."
I mean what in the Actual Fuck? Who wants to read this? Is this our history?
Because this is what "eternal September" sounds like. And, albeit exaggerated, what the inability to define terms looks like.
If and when historians write the history of Bitcoin... what are they going to say?
Are they going to say:
    1. "The Church of England was not holy enough to meet their standards. They were labeled Separatists"
    1. The Global Central Banks faced competition from an energy-based non-governmental money created by Satoshi... ushering in a multi-century golden age of intellectual and social enlightenment...
or
    1. "Coin haz dog... Trust me Bro... Funds are Safu"
Because right now Bitcoin is trending towards #2 and we don't want to hurt anyone's feelings so "nobody knows anything"
We don't have clear definitions. It's all so approximate. Without defining who or what we are or what we believe in... in my opinion we fail to differentiate ourselves from those with whom we are very different
If "we" can't define US... how are the HISTORY BOOKS going to GIVE a ****?
A suggested definition:
  • Bitcoiner: *A Bitcoiner is someone who believes that Bitcoin is the world's greatest money and hardest asset ever created. Full stop. It may not be the only money... but it is the best. Money is typically a Store of Value, Medium of Exchange, and Unit of Account and Bitcoiners want to see BTC recognized and used as such (SoV, MoE, UofA) on a widespread basis. Bitcoiners differentiate BTC from "crypto" in many ways... for example its "proof-of-work", decentralization and "immaculate conception" (the extraordinary and unique circumstances precipitating Bitcoin's creation). Bitcoiners see hard work in society as necessary and natural in the accumulation of Bitcoin and its use as "Money". Bitcoiners also look to further its use as money while remaining true to decentralization and "not-your-keys-not-your-coins." Running a node, holding private keys, and continuing education are paramount with the goal of
[and this is important]
  1. increasing the purchasing power of BTC and
  2. being able to "use" that BTC + purchasing power DIRECTLY as Money in the most authentic way available.
Full Stop.
ANOTHER definition: (Think PILGRIMS vs PURITANS)
  • Crypto investor: A "Crypto investor" is someone who buys cryptocurrency as an 'investment', usually with fiat money, based on the fluctuation in exchange rates. "Crypto investors" may believe that some cryptos are 'better' than others... but they don't see any of them as money. None of them are money and this is fundamental. For example these "investors" would never think of using their "investments" to purchase things directly or to pay for goods and services. Buying things in a store, tipping an Uber driver, sending funds to a friend or co-worker... these are not things crypto investors typically do. Consequently, a crypto investor's primary goal is to trade and bet on prices at an exchange... FULL STOP.
  • At the end of the day "Crypto Investors" want to trade their way to more Fiat and then "cash out".
Full stop.
  • Since the use of "crypto" (ANY crypto) as money is of little concern, crypto investors rarely run nodes, hold their own keys, and they typically use centralized exchanges in order to "cash out" and "take Profits" (when they can).
  • Conversely crypto investors who don't believe (and probably never believed) in an asset they "own", which has "lost money", and is now "in the red" are defined as "bagholders". THE VAST MAJORITY of 'crypto investors' historically have been 'BAG HOLDERS'.
  • Crypto Investor Subclass - Degen: A "degen" is a crypto trader who trades with maximum leverage. A degen would trade absolutely anything regardless of how risky or how little practical application the trade has:
Examples of Degen favorites:
  • NFTs
  • memecoins
  • ICOs
  • Runes
  • BRC20s
  • 'Inscriptions' These are all highly favored by degens. If it has a 'ticker' and a chart they'll buy it. Needless to say, degens "love" crypto but they don't custody any of it themselves... and they don't care how a crypto ACTUALLY "works". A degen would sell illegal pictures of their grandmother if they thought it would score them more fiat and fast. Get rich quick 100% guaranteed (or not).
Last one (and bear with me I'm not an economist and have the LEAST to contribute):
  • Central Banker: A "Central Banker" is someone who forks for, or is associated with, the leadership of a Central Bank. IE the US Fed or the European ECB. Central Bankers don't believe that money has any "real" inherent value... but instead exists solely to coordinate economic activity and worker productivity. In other words growth, employment, and prices (especially in the short term). Since fiat can be created by a Central Bank at will, with no energy requirements and in infinite quantities... to quote Neel Kashkari "there is an infinite amount of money at the Federal Reserve".
  • This is in stark contrast to Bitcoin, which is mathematically scarce and extremely energy-intensive. Gotta do the "work" to make it. Fiat (or Central Bank) money is also centrally controlled, and monetary policy can be changed at any time by a small group of people. Bitcoin, on-the-other-hand, has a monetary policy that's set, transparent, and known to all for the next 100 years, barring an overwhelming desire or need to change it by people who run nodes. IE Bitcoiners.

In my humble opinion, with just a few definitions, everything is much clearer. It's not that the people reading this don't know, or don't care deeply about Bitcoin or aren't extremely knowledgeable... it's that there are so many who can't even provide their own definitions.
Who would have others think for them... a 'hero' or an 'influencer'. Or some billionaire. It's not good and it's dangerous.
And it's even worse when those same folks start parroting:
  • Don't hold your own keys
  • Leave your keys on an exchange
  • Don't run a node, it doesn't matter
  • Never spend your Bitcoin (because it's on an exchange and you don't own it anyway and can't spend it!) and
  • Never transact in Bitcoin. Just buy the ETF...
Tell me this, if no-one ever transacts in the future, how are the transaction fees going to get paid with a decreasing block subsidy? If the ETFs hold all the Bitcoin and no-one runs nodes, and no-one practically speaking transacts, isn't it obvious what kind of ****show that would be?
Yet there are a disturbing number of conversations saying these exact things on Reddit and elsewhere. People got on a Rickety ship hundreds of years ago to go across the ocean for what they believed... I hope future Bitcoiners show the same courage.
41 sats \ 0 replies \ @Golu 10h
In my humble opinion everything has an opposite and without these opposites nothing gets it true importance. For example good has bad and love has hate. We know the worth of good and love because we know how unworthy bad and hate are. So, language is the real crook here.
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85 sats \ 4 replies \ @OT 23h
Don't worry. History is written by the winners.
We got this
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Thank you <3 I hope you are right
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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @joda 19h
No, just the history books used in schools. Alternative histories are out there in bookstores, published and not banned. See "Hijacking Bitcoin" book.
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I have not read the book. But a block size increase is not the answer in my opinion for many, many, many reasons. Lightning works, if people are interested enough to use it.
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Lol the salty bcrasher book. Imagine failing to hijack Bitcoin and then writing a book blaming the people you lost to as if they did what you tried to do.
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I have thought about this before with things like "wallet". A bank app (or Bitcoin custodian company if you prefer) calls itself "Wallet of Satoshi", but my understanding of wallet was that it was supposed to be a non-custodial application. There is precedent for digital banking apps (like CashApp) to call themselves "digital wallets" though. So maybe we should be using a different word to describe our software?
This anon is not the first to realize the dire need to define terms. Neither am I and neither is GiGi, although you may enjoy his article as well: https://dergigi.com/2022/06/27/the-words-we-use-in-bitcoin/
Lets define some terms.
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I read the whole article from dergigi I love it. Thank you for posting it. My post was to point out the frustrating eternal september out there, the lack of education of terms... and the way people 'manipulate' those terms for their own benefit. The article mentioned "un-hosted wallets" as a really deceptive term. It's not a wallet at all actually that's 'hosted' at an exchange... it's just an account on an exchange that's an IOU.
The 'ordinals', the innovation of 'ordinals' and 'rare sats' and 'nfts', the use of bitcoin as 'not-money', as well as the advocacy for all these 'use cases' that are not money and are overwhelmingly inferior, or scams, or both. It just gets so old.
And I also am honestly a little impatient when I read certain comments about 'buying bitcoin for the money'... Bitcoin is the money that's the whole point. So I guess people mean buying it to ride the exchange rate up short term and then sell it for fiat?
If they don't believe in it any more than that, and haven't studied it to appreciate 'Bitcoin the money' (TM) then they probably shouldn't be buying it to begin with imo.
The whole thing looks really scammy to the public and there is a dire need for better education. It's even made more confusing when a significant number of ****coiners say that 'lightning doesn't work' or 'lightning is trash'...
If it doesn't work, then how does Stacker News work? How the **** am I receiving and sending Sats over and over? It's just a desperate lack of education, transparency, and honesty from the crypto space as well as from some regulators and politicians. Some of it is quite devious, and the lack of standardized information makes real value4value adoption more painful than I wish it were.
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Your term for crypto investor is actually how I use the word "moonboi" interestingly enough.
But yes in addition to the technical terms that have been subverted, we should also clearly have a name that defines us specifically. Right now its "Bitcoin maxi" lmao
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I mean... right now because SN is custodial, no? (like the WoS point you made above)
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Yes. I do not refer to SN as a wallet. Its annoying when people call SN a wallet.
The goose in the discord I'm in suggested "signing software"
Blixt signer, Pheonix signer, electrum signer.
Might create a few polls later see what words we like.
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Bitcoin is the best currently known form of money in the context of the individual user- with certain qualifications- It is currently highly obstructed by the legacy fiat cartel of bankers and governments. Bitcoin is not from their point of view the best form of money because Bitcoin deprives them of the leverage, monopoly, seigniorage income and issuance hegemony they currently enjoy. Because of the obstruction of Bitcoin as a MoE payments protocol Bitcoin is still very difficult to use for most people.
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I spend more time than I should thinking about Bitcoin... and I'm not shy in spending it where it makes sense. Having said that, having a smooth 'spending' experience is tough... it takes some imagination and even then there aren't many places that take it.
Hopefully in the next 10 years things improve.
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The fiat debt slavery bankers cartel that patronises most of our elected representatives and has captured and controlled much of our regulatory institutions does not want Bitcoin to be competing with their their fiat monopoly...especially in the in the payments area which is the basis of their market capture. We must fight for the right to chose our preferred monetary option- Stacker News and other platforms are starting to give us some options but the obstruction from the bankers and their captive governments will continue. Yes I am hopeful things can improve.
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Hi In your view, what implications could the lack of clear definitions and understanding among Bitcoiners have on the future of Bitcoin, particularly regarding its acceptance as a legitimate form of money versus speculative investment?
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The other thing is... there are plenty of folks who talk about 'Bitcoin adoption' and Bitcoin 'replacing the banks' and Bitcoin 'being a bank'. 'Mainstream adoption' etc etc.
And so on an so forth. Yet many of those same people... how many on-chain transactions do they routinely make? How many lightning transactions do they regularly make? They do have a lightning wallet, they do don't they?
How is Bitcoin to 'get adopted' without people spending it? and Merchants adopting it? And people practicing with lightning, maybe in person in their local communities?
I ask each Uber or Lyft/cab driver I come across hey, do you have a lightning wallet (for a tip) and I haven't found a single one who knows what I'm talking about. Where is the adoption? And sometimes imo it's Bitcoiners who don't really want it.
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Bitcoiners say 'don't spend your Bitcoin'. Ok well... I guess they will just hold their Bitcoin forever then. And never sell it?
And if they plan on selling it, why not spend 3$ worth in sats on a cup of coffee? I also believe that the person who has never spent Bitcoin can not value it... as they cannot evaluate its risk/reward combination, its transactional potential, the lightning network... things like that.
Saving or "investing" in something one has never actually used seems like a really, really bad idea.
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I like what you're doing here. Our various slogans have their place, but it is worthwhile to also have an elevated discourse somewhere.
One fairly small note is that you can't define "central banker" by the job they have and then proceed to ascribe definitive views to all central bankers. The Fed is the largest employer of economists in the world and those positions are considered to be very good placements within the profession. There are "central bankers", by your definition, who don't even think about money and there are central bankers with alternative views about money. The Fed puts out research on all manner of things.
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100% you are correct. My knowledge is limited on Economics (something I'm going to have to do more work on)
But you make my point exactly. The Bitcoin community and Bitcoiners in general use a lot of terminology... and in my opinion a lot of phrases get thrown around. Like 'central banker' or 'central banking' when I think we would benefit ourselves by being more specific about what we want to change, and how we want to change it.
I tried to bring that up in what I wrote... as there is some 'confusion' about whether Bitcoin is money or not... and I'm not sure where that confusion comes from. If it isn't... ok. But if it is we should advocate for it to be used that way within reason, and that's not what's going on in the Bitcoin space from what I've seen. Just my 2 sats thank you
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