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3 sats \ 7 replies \ @ek OP 10h \ parent \ on: Do you want edits on nostr for short text notes? nostr

Btw, when you hit save, you think that the post have been updated, but often this doesn't happens in real time, it's a background process that, perhaps, include also this sort of checks.

True, but I still think it's a stretch that this context analysis exists and is what prevents abuse. The costs vs benefits don't make sense to me. Yes, it's not difficult as in "run some software" but it still requires significant resources at scale. We're talking about indiscriminate edit context analysis.

Github is not a “social,” it is a forum with a very technical target audience in which the chances of a manipulation having profound effects at the social level is minimal, and thus the benefits of the edit function clearly outweigh the possible damage caused by a malicious edit.

It was just an example, my argument would also apply to Reddit. But "profound effects at the social level" is a good point! Since Reddit is mostly pseudonymous, it doesn't have this effect like Twitter. Mastodon, Facebook and Threads might apply though (and Twitter Premium).

My argument is that edits overcomplicate things, especially at this time of development. If you wrote something wrong simply delete the note or comment/annotate it. Maybe it's not the best solution for all, but I think it's a reasonable tradeoff.

I share your concerns, but I am more concerned about nostr staying a niche because we ignore user expectations. However, I agree, it might be too early and I definitely wouldn't say no edits are a game breaker for nostr, lol. Maybe we can agree on this:

But maybe delaying events is indeed a good compromise between UX and complexity.

Thanks for the discussion, you raised good points I wasn't aware of.

1131 sats \ 1 reply \ @dtonon 8h

In fact, maybe I overestimated these big tech circuses:

5 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek OP 8h

That's a great example, thank you! I will reevaluate my opinion. I thought loss of reputation would be enough to prevent abuse but I am no longer sure.

I also think that nowadays, the damage is usually already done before people can clarify what happened. I am not sure if nostr fixes people being sensationalists :/

364 sats \ 4 replies \ @dtonon 10h

The cost/benefit doesn't make sense to me.

It's a supposition, I don't have first hand informations. But big tech social have huge social and legal pressures, they already have complex moderation system in place, I was not surprise if the use them in some other contexts.

I am more concerned about nostr staying a niche because we ignore user expectations

I worry about this too, it is not an easy journey. And that is why it is very important that these discussions arise to share as many points of view as possible, thank you for your accurate feedback.

Maybe we can agree on this: But maybe delaying events is indeed a good compromise between UX and complexity.

Sure, as I already replied you here yesterday I pointed out this exact alternative :)

Staying with the topic: why did SN decide to limit edits to 10 minutes and not leave them free? I suppose it was a reasoned choice; it could provide additional insights. Btw, it's a very good compromise, that unfortunately we cannot apply on Nostr.

19 sats \ 3 replies \ @ek OP 10h

Sure, as I already replied you here yesterday I pointed out this exact alternative :)

Oh, right, haha

why did SN decide to limit edits to 10 minutes and not leave them free?

This was added before I joined iirc and I would guess the timer was added because we don't have edit history yet (/cc @k00b). I think if we had that, maybe we don't need the timer anymore? But I have to admit, I also like the "set in stone" nature of it and maybe we're too used to it now. Has the 10min edit timer became a big part of SN?

Or maybe we could allow 10min edit timer for "invisible edits" and after that we will show history. Backwards-compatible user expectations, lol

10 sats \ 2 replies \ @dtonon 10h

Do we have history now, just for the 10 min edit timespan? I used this edit feature, it's handy, it gives you the freedom to write quickly knowing that you can correct, but it also imposes careful follow-up because you cannot exceed the time limit.

6 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek OP 10h

No, there is no edit history at all. We literally overwrite the content in the database on edits (like we do for deletes).

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @dtonon 9h

Ah ok, sorry I misread your comment. Thank you for the discussion!