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This is why AOC’s pronoun purging matters: it’s an unspoken admission that there are two Americas. There’s the America of performative virtue, inhabited by the credentialled classes, where certain rituals have become de rigueur, chief among them the declaration of one’s pronouns. Pronoun posting serves no practical purpose. Everyone knows AOC is ‘she’, just as they know Joe Biden is ‘he’ – yes, even this 81-year-old male staple of the establishment has felt compelled to state his pronouns in the fashion of the post-class high-minded millennials who have lately conquered his party. No, the purpose of stating pronouns isn’t to provide information but to profess loyalty. Loyalty to the credo of the post-reason elites that govern our societies. It is a code of the inner sanctum, proof to your fellow travellers in the universe of staged virtue that you, too, genuflect to the religion of genderfluidity; that you, too, are good.
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I remember when all this stuff was starting, a relative told me about how great he thought it was that his work meetings were now starting with everyone declaring their pronouns.
I have no animus towards the pronoun people, but I am a cold economist at heart, so what struck me was how enormous the collective time drain would be if every meeting had to start with such declarations.
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one of my best friends growing up later came out as transgender... and she never 'says' her pronouns. she's just a she and its cool nobody cares
there are transgender people, and then there are the politicians. they are not the same.
best i can tell, transgender people and their identities have existed for thousands of years. it is not a recent political development, but some kind of medical condition. my 2 sats
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I suspect that most gender dysphoric people just want to be left alone to live their life without discrimination, and don't appreciate being used as a political football.
I do think, however, that transgenderism has become a fad and that the current rates of "non-binary" self-identification are way above historical rates. I also suspect that it's the ones who are doing this as part of a fad that are the loudest about pronouns.
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it's interesting and i don't know. what you said though is probably right.
people like my friend 'came out' before most people had ever heard of pronouns etc and those most deeply motivated by who they are, are the most quiet about it. +1 we need to find common ground
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I don’t this idea that transgender people need to be quiet about who they are to be valid in their identity is true. Just as there are people who are loud sports fans, there are people who engage more quietly. They’re all sports fans.
I do think this sentiment about AOC is important though, as it speaks to how inauthentic left politicians are. The pronouns cater to a particular group she wants to align with, and when this no longer serves her she can remove them as she pleases. This identity swapping is something that legitimate members of a group cannot do. One cannot remove their queerness, just as one cannot make themselves queer.
I’m probably an example of think of when they imagine a leftist, though I don’t like to hard align myself with any particular political ideology and I’m constantly also looking to find common ground. I don’t find arguing over politics to be as rewarding as I once did, now I see it more as everyone vs the government as opposed to left vs right.
But I’ve always more or less believed that most people mean well. In my personal life I address people as they would like to be addressed, as to me it seems the bare minimum. We have so little control over so many things in our lives, personal identity should always be in the hands of the individual.
I’m aware many will probably disagree with some of my stances, but I hope you will take them with the light heartednedd I intended. I am always open to discussion and learning.
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Be kind to people and be respectful to all. That's my takeaway in life.
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They need to be quiet because they are annoying and shrill. Their entire identity is gender fluidity.
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Did your friend join antifa?
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nope.
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He should He will fit right in
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you sound quite triggered sir. The mods here at Stacker News should recognize there is a fine line between lively debate... and turning this place into X/twitter which is not an improvement lol.
In my experience, the people most 'triggered' by something are the ones with the most to hide.
33 percent of antifa members identify as transgender.
These militant douche bags need a taste of their own destructive medicine. Especially in Oregon
I agree and if someone is presenting/living as a woman, I’m just going to use female pronouns, regardless of what I may know or suspect about the person.
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Transgenders are mentally ill and unstable and some are very dangerous. The dangerous ones need to be eradicated
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77 sats \ 6 replies \ @ek 19 Nov
The dangerous ones need to be eradicated
You sound pretty dangerous
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You sound fake
Pearl clutching is annoying
You must love antifa @ek
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50 sats \ 1 reply \ @ek 19 Nov
Pearl clutching is annoying
Never heard of pearl clutching before so thanks for introducing me to it but I think pointing out some fallacy in someone’s thinking shouldn’t annoy them
You must love antifa @ek
Sure, if that makes you happy with your one-dimensional thinking
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Liar liar pants on fire
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Trigger warning:
You sound like a drama queen
And an alarmist who can’t tell the difference between real and fabricated dangers
Or simply dishonest
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Have you had to sit through a Land Acknowledgment?
They're really shooting themselves in the foot because regular people see this for what it is: empty, performative virtue signaling, and a waste of everyone's time.
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Thankfully, no. They happen regularly at one of my previous universities, but didn't start until I had moved on. They sound excruciating.
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what the hell is a land acknowledgement?
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It's a little sermon about how we're all on stolen land, but we're not going to do anything crazy like give it back (that last part isn't usually said).
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interesting. never heard of that although i have been out of school/university for a while
i take a neutral point of view to most things like this - if it makes people feel better and it gives them closure... then ok. its not going to matter anyway
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The problem is I don't think Native Americans are the ones pushing for land acknowledgments. At least, not the majority of them. This is an invention of liberal academia, much like the term "Latinx" which is proven to be disliked by the average Hispanic person.
"If it makes people feel better and gives them closure"..... but who are we trying to make feel better? Liberal academics?
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The whole thing is just a huge waste of time. It does make some liberal academics feel good, but it’s not like they actually feel that bad about it. They mostly just want to make a big show of how virtuous they are.
The actual natives I’ve known don’t care about an acknowledgment. If anything, acknowledging it’s stolen and still not returning it is even worse.
If you’re not paying property tax, there is nothing to acknowledge
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😂
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Meetings are already painful
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Now I'll never know her gender!
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132 sats \ 4 replies \ @ek 18 Nov
You should ask her every day to make sure you don’t offend her since she might have changed her gender since the last time you asked
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As entertaining as this would be, I pretty much want to make life as easy as possible for those who don't give in to the whole pronoun craze.
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 19 Nov
yeah this was just meant for AOC since she used to have pronouns
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lol
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47 sats \ 0 replies \ @ek 18 Nov
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Never forget the ones who supported or went along with this madness. 1000s of kids lives have been destroyed by unethical and predatory medical procedures which have mutilated and rendered them infertile. Many before the age they are considered mature enough to drive/smoke/drink/join the military. Children sacrificed to Baal. AOC at the very least went along with that and gave cover to it. The blood of those children is on her hands, now and for eternity. You can't wash away that sin by just updating a profile.
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Greedy doctors
Venal pediatricians
Transgenders are abnormal. Everyone knows this simple fact.
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i've known transgender young people and even their families, and i haven't seen this. quite the opposite actually
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Liar liar pants on fire
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Opposite of what?
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giving people the option with the right supervision on how to live their lives saves lives, and is in the spirit of freedom
just because you aren't transgender or don't have friends who are, doesn't mean those people don't exist. life isn't one size fits all
different strokes for different folks
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This is it exactly, yes. Allowing people of any age to transition (socially, not medically, which is a huge distinction that is often not conveyed by right media) is directly in the spirit of personal freedom. Just because children are children does not mean they shouldn’t have any say in their own lives and identity. And it certainly doesn’t make them abnormal, I think that phrasing is ugly and dehumanizing.
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Children have no say in their lives.
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Complete nonsense
People like you are the problem
You are abnormal and mentally ill
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Genuflect is my new favorite word.
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it's a great word
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only men and women can have rights and dominion
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0 sats \ 0 replies \ @xz 19 Nov
What a fraud.
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great. do i care? not in the least.
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Was never a fan of the pronoun stuff
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people are going to do as they do
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That’s the problem
People need to be deterred from thinking freak shows are normal
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you sir are the freak show. no offense
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Funny that the ones who are displaying the most 'performative anger' at the 'performative virtue signaling' around gender and sex issues... they really give off strong vibes of inner conflict, sexual repression, sexual hangups... or inceldom? 🤔
I actually agree the whole pronoun thing is weird, but who the hell actually spends time thinking about this shit? Let alone being enraged by it 🙄
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The whole transgender movement is weird and now it’s dangerous because of trans activism in public schools
You clearly don’t have children who are being coerced into sex change operations
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You're right, I don't have children. If I did have kids and they were truly being coerced into sex change operations, I would certainly be upset... In fact, upset is a major understatement!
I do have lots of friends and family with kids in public schools though, and I know they would be upset by something like that too. I've yet to hear any of them mention anything about it.
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A big reason why Elon has become more active politically is his son transitioning to a girl. And the school, an expensive private school in Santa Monica, kept it a secret while actively encouraging transition. Irresponsible for schools to encourage this behavior.
If you think children are being coerced into 'sex change operations'... then you are either a) smoking crack or b) watching wayyyy too much fox news.
In which case you have give up critical thinking, case in point.
You are the freak show
You should be offended every time you look in the mirror
Your words are nauseating
You should be offended
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Like I said. Triggered.
Do you feel TrIgGeReD?
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11 sats \ 2 replies \ @xz 19 Nov
I tend to agree.
I can only speak for myself when I say that only men will be regarded as men, and women will be regarded as women.
Changing your name, clothes or genitals is not going to work with me.
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The trans movement is based solely on gaslighting.
Men can get pregnant. Birthing people. More than two genders.
2+2=5
Tomboys mean girls are suffering from gender dysphoria.
I consulted ai. The answer is sheer propaganda
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11 sats \ 0 replies \ @xz 19 Nov
Indeed, search algorithms and regulation directing llms to spew lies have less finesse than a bad used car salesman.
thought control < marxism < censorship < change the definitions of accepted meanings of words under the guise of shared social value < the need to control dissent < authoritarian power structure constrained by checks and balances
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