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241 sats \ 4 replies \ @SimpleStacker 11 Dec \ on: Jordan Peterson Bookclub—We Who Wrestle With God: Morality and Social Order BooksAndArticles
Oh man, I didn't realize you had even started this series already. Is there a way to subscribe to a series of posts? I've been listening to the audiobook.
Anyway, yes, Jordan Peterson's first major point is that we cannot flourish without following rules which are consistent with our nature and consistent with reality. This, indeed, is a very biblical teaching as man and woman were made in the image of God and given dominion over the earth, to work it and to keep it.
Yet, there was one rule which was to avoid eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, and by violating that rule we became like Gods unto ourselves: determining what is good and what is right in our own eyes.
And yet again, this was contrary to our nature because although we are made in the image of God, we are not God, and it is not we who determine reality, morality or purpose, it is God. The original sin of Adam and Eve was, in a sense, to rebel against God's moral order (i.e. the true morality that is consistent with our nature), and to try and create our own.
I wonder though what libertarians would think of all this. I think the conservatism represented by the DailyWire and Jordan Peterson is actually quite at odds with libertarianism, despite the shared distrust of government overreach.
Maybe the most relevant point about libertarianism here is that it is not intended to be a totalizing moral philosophy.
Properly understood, libertarianism is a legal philosophy and as such is concerned with the specific matter of when force is justified in human relations.
Many other moral frameworks can work with libertarianism, provided they don't call for expropriating or attacking peaceful people.
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Indeed, a little bit.
There's the stereotype of libertarian while young but conservative when matured. Lots to unpack there. Also, "conservatarian" is a phrase I heard today lol
As for your comments, hell yes! Lots that passed me by and things I didn't pick up on. What else did you find useful from the first 50 pages?
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I should probably get a copy of the book too because I can't remember as much from just listening to audio, let alone remember what pages.
But I distinctly remember him talking about how after executing the prophets of Bhaal, rain returned to the land, and I thought of how although we wouldn't execute people these days (we don't live under the Old Covenant anymore), we still need to somehow purge the influence of those who "sow moral chaos." Which, in my mind, means we need to bring back moral and objective standards to academica (the closest thing to prophets these days are the professors)
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yes, precisely. I felt that one deep in stomach: people have to be "executed" for their transgressions.
Fuck.
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