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741 sats \ 53 comments \ @grayruby 23 Dec Stacker_Sports

49ers QB Brock Purdy is eligible for a contract extension after this season.

Brock's contract is one of the best values in the NFL as he is getting paid around 1M on the 3rd year of his rookie deal but market rate for top 10 QBs is 50-60M a year, which is a far cry from 1M. Now, there are many ways teams can ease the burden of player contracts, so the average annual value while eye popping isn't necessarily the biggest factor in the contract but even with a back loaded deal, team opt outs, less guaranteed money, Purdy is going to start getting expensive.

I am going to make a post later this week that argues for and against extending Purdy but I wanted stackers to weigh in first. Let's assume the following things are true, he will get market rate 55-60M per year and that the 49ers who are amongst the best in the league at structuring contracts will do a great job mitigating the cap hits and impact on the ability to field a great team.

Do you think the 49ers should extend Brock Purdy?

Yes- Purdy is a franchise QB57.1%

No- Purdy is not a franchise QB42.9%

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93 sats \ 41 replies \ @BlokchainB 23 Dec

I say no. Brock should take a hometown discount and get $20 or $25M per year. Use the rest of the space to fill out the roster.

I’m tired of these QBs taking the full max then complain that they don’t win. Only a few guys can command top dollar and still be good enough to carry a team

Brock just isn’t that guy. Good player sure but he’s not carrying the niners alone.

101 sats \ 5 replies \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

Ain't going to happen. No QB is going to take a hometown discount and there are only 3 "that guys" in the league. You could spend the next 20 years tanking and failing to get one.

112 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 23 Dec

Offer him a 2 year contract

It’s not the amount that kills a team. It’s the long term guarantee

Denver is paying Russell 40 million this year

Cleveland is stuck with Watson contract

40 sats \ 3 replies \ @BlokchainB 23 Dec

That’s true but someone who watched the bills suffer with bad QB play for 20 years we overpaid mediocrity and it didn’t serve us any. We shouldn’t have paid Ryan Fitzpatrick and Tyrod Taylor.

82 sats \ 2 replies \ @grayruby OP 24 Dec

I get it. You don’t want to pay a non top 5 guy like a top 5 guy but I do think in the right scheme as we saw with the 49ers last year and the Lions this year you can take a good QB and get top 5 play out of him.

My big issue is if they aren’t going to give him a good OLine the league will exploit his weaknesses and he will end up being a mediocre QB.

40 sats \ 1 reply \ @BlokchainB 24 Dec

A good OL takes cash. If it’s all tied up with Purdy less dollars to go around.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 24 Dec

True but they will structure the contract well to keep the cap hits low for the first few years and then restructure as they get huge. 49ers are masters at that.

41 sats \ 31 replies \ @Undisciplined 23 Dec

I'd say something in the $30-$40M range isn't crazy. We're seeing a lot of teams regret handing out those monster QB contracts and I don't think Purdy has proven that he can carry a team.

The big money is for the handful of QB's who can carry a team without a lot of help.

40 sats \ 30 replies \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

He isn't signing for below market. Maybe a slight discount compared to Dak but QBs are getting paid. It is what it is. They could make him play out his last year and franchise tag him but then he might hold out. I will cover that in my post.

51 sats \ 29 replies \ @Undisciplined 23 Dec

I was going to ask you if he's tanked his market value.

I'm not sure which other team is going to be interested in throwing $60M at him.

48 sats \ 14 replies \ @Bell_curve 23 Dec

Raiders need a quarterback lol

127 sats \ 13 replies \ @Undisciplined 23 Dec

We have plenty of QB's. What we need is a good one.

51 sats \ 12 replies \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

What do you think of Justin Fields?

I think he still has potential if he gets in the right system. I don't trust what I saw with the Bears considering how incompetent that franchise is.

77 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 23 Dec

draft class of 2021 is cursed because of covid which made reliable scouting impossible

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76 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 23 Dec

Kirk Cousins would be a better QB. He knows the Shanahan offense. Mike Shanahan drafted him in 2012.

Plus he is a first ballot HOF, Hall of Finance

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51 sats \ 6 replies \ @Undisciplined 23 Dec

I'm out. You guys basically had Fields, with Lance, and that didn't work.

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47 sats \ 13 replies \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

I don't think he has tanked it. He is 11th in QBR that's certainly worse than last year when he was top 5 but still in the top half of the league. 49ers have him under contract for next year so he can't negotiate with other teams right now. One would assume he and the 49ers will have a better year next year but if they don't extend him and he has a similar year I would agree it is unlikely a team would pay him 60M.

51 sats \ 12 replies \ @Undisciplined 23 Dec

I'm worried you're about to end up where we were with Carr. He flashed top 5 QB potential in his 2nd and 3rd seasons, but settled out around 12th-15th.

You end up in QB purgatory, paying guys like that as though they are premier QB's.

51 sats \ 11 replies \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

Fair concern but that's likely a risk with a lot of guys. There are only a few elite QBs and then another tier of 5-7 guys that could have top 5 potential.

I do understand the argument that you always need to be trying to get a top 5 QB but I also think as we saw with the 49ers last year and the Lions this year you can get top 5 QB play from a top 10 or top 15 QB in the right system with the right pieces. I mean Goff and Darnold look like top 5 QBs this year. Who would have thought that was possible?

Shanahan trusts Purdy more than any QB he has had. I think that goes a long way. Ultimately I think they will sign him but I will lay out both cases in my post later in the week.

30 sats \ 5 replies \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

My biggest concern is if they sign Purdy but don't address the offensive line. We know Purdy is small ( a lot of batted down passes), has small hands so he doesn't play well in inclement weather and is limited throwing downfield. If you don't give him at least a decent OLine you are just inviting defense to stack the box, stop the run and try to force him to beat you 30 yards downfield.

If you give him the Detroit Lions OLine he going to be the most efficient QB in the league.

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40 sats \ 4 replies \ @Undisciplined 23 Dec

I don't think you need a top 5 QB. The mistake is paying a non-elite QB as though he's elite. It just doesn't leave enough cap room to fill out the necessary support.

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40 sats \ 2 replies \ @Bell_curve 23 Dec

Who else would be interested in signing him?

11 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

No one right now because he is under contract next year.

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @Bell_curve 23 Dec

Darnold will be a free agent after this season

He will set market rate for Purdy

90 sats \ 3 replies \ @HardMoney 23 Dec

As a Cardinals fan I hope so (would be consolation for Kyler and team imploding down the stretch and MHJr looking like a bust)

11 sats \ 2 replies \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

Why would locking a top 10 QB who runs the coaches system incredibly efficiently and who has had nothing but success aside from this year when half the team was injured be a consolation? I would think the 49ers having continuity for the next 5-7 years would be bad for NFC West opponents.

I don't think the Brock sucks and is a system QB is a good argument. Goff is a system QB and the Lions might win the SB this year. 49ers should have won the SB last season. They had a missed FG and a punt that bounced off a rookies foot that went right to the Chiefs. The 49ers were the better team in that Super Bowl. Chiefs caught the breaks and had Patrick Mahomes. There is only one Patrick Mahomes and only 3 true elite QBs in the league in my opinion.

51 sats \ 1 reply \ @HardMoney 23 Dec

I agree he doesn’t suck. Just has a limited ceiling. Needs all of the playmakers healthy to be the elite team they were last year. Giving the money to a system qb guy tho will make it harder to extend that SB window. Requires hitting in the late rounds to replenish the play makers since eventually the old guard will want their $ too like ayuik etc

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

Don't totally disagree and agree he has a limited ceiling. He is smaller, doesn't play well in the rain due to hand size, his arm strength is questionable but in my opinion there are only 3 guys that are worth 60M a year and 32 teams need QBs. So you either are perpetually trying to draft an elite QB or you are jumping from mediocre FA to FA so you can pay 25M instead of 55M.

51 sats \ 2 replies \ @kepford 23 Dec

I've been wondering if they could do what the dodgers have done. Make a deal deferring payment in the first few years of the contract in order to free up money to build around him.

67 sats \ 1 reply \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

There are a lot of things they can do to mitigate the cap hits. They can back load the contract, add void years. They can pay a large chunk out in signing bonus instead of salary. That's how they reduced guys like Kittle's cap hits, they restructured the deal and paid them a huge signing bonus up front so the yearly cap hits weren't as bad. Jed York seems happy to do that.

Regardless what the deal is I expect the first few years of cap hits will be relatively low. Similar to what the Eagles did with Hurts.

72 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

This is the model I would like to see them follow if they extend Brock.

Jalen Hurts signed a 5 year , $255,000,000 contract with the Philadelphia Eagles, including $23,294,000 signing bonus, $179,399,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $51,000,000.

Cap hits: 23- 6M 24- 13.5M 25- 21.7M 26- 31.7M 27- 41.8M 28- 47.1M 29- 97.5M (Void year. free agent year- deal will be restructured before this hits) 30- 29.9M (void year) 31- 19.8M (void year) 32- 9.8M (void year)

They have a potential out in 28 that would only be a 7.7M cap hit. So he will likely get restructured at this point.

20 sats \ 0 replies \ @realBitcoinDog 24 Dec

40 sats \ 1 reply \ @Bell_curve 23 Dec

I would franchise tag him or pay him less than market rate like 25 million

11 sats \ 0 replies \ @grayruby OP 23 Dec

That will be discussed in my post. I just wanted to get a binary yes or no from stackers.

0 sats \ 0 replies \ @Coinsreporter 24 Dec

If market rate is 55 to 60 M, Purdy should at least get half of it. I've seen a little history and such rookies, as it looked, have been paid around 7 to 20 million. But some reports are suggesting that they should be paid around a 30 million.