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0 sats \ 2 replies \ @theariard OP 10 Jan \ parent \ on: Follow-up: Code of Conduct Violation: Banning Antoine Riard for 3 months bitcoin
There always have been disputes and conflicts among Bitcoiners (cf. the block size war).
In my humble opinion, while I have not been active into it, the dismay of the so-called “block size war”, have been the uttermost self-conviction of actors on both side to think they were representing the camp of “Good” and the other camp the “Evil”, or that one camp thought they detained the monopole of truth.
The advantage of going to courts of justice, it’s a century-old well-established process, which has internalized in its unfolds that social life isn’t “black-or-white”.
Sadly, it’s a phenomena that we’re seeing far too often with online internet forums, as the tactic of loudly claiming to represent the camp of “Good” is very cheap rhetoric to try to gain the conviction of the online forums audience.
By its nature, modern online forums are not communication mediums favoring deep reflections and careful consideration, there people usually prefer to resume a complex situation with simple GIFs and other memes.
Only Craig Wright is trashing bitcoiners to court. If you go so low you are no different than that douchebag.
Courts are for real crimes, not for stupid shit. Be a man, not a kid, only kids go to cry in a court.
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Let’s give more context.
If you take the series of CSW cases in the UK, what effectively did stop him of claiming he’s Satoshi and that Bitcoin Core developers as a group owed him fiduciary duties and other dubious claims, was indeed another counter-lawsuit (the COPA one), dragging him in front of courts.
Be certain, I’ve said multiple times in public in the past that CSW is clearly a douchebag as you said so, and now I can a say a proven fraud in claiming he’s Satoshi.
More anecdotally, in the feud among Matt Corallo and myself, he was the first to make more or less veiled threats to drag people non-complying to the rust-lightning code of conduct in front of court of justice, here in 2022: https://github.com/lightningdevkit/lightningdevkit.org/pull/184#issuecomment-1368126430
So why there would be a “double standard” among bitcoin devs, some for which it’s okay to announce the intent to open pursuits in front of court of justice, and some for which it’s not ? I’ll let you come with a justification, because I cannot see one.
Now, on the “courts are for real crimes”, let’s obviously keep a sense of proportion. This is _not _ a claim there has been something penally serious that has been committed such as murders, rapts, human trafficking or mass terrorism. We’re only talking about an inter-personal conflict among 2 professionals developers in a quite young industry with very few social norms. Courts of justice also usually intervene in far more minor legal cases in societies, such as when 2 neighbors disagree on where is exactly the physical limit between their 2 private properties, if their respective title deeds are unclear.
Beyond, I can certainly see among the bitcoiners, especially ones with a anarchistic philosophical lean, an in-grained suspicion about the court of justice as a legitimate human institution in itself, or as pure emanation of the Nation-State. Of course, court of justice are not perfect and there are only a very pragmatic way to appease human conflicts. For your wider personal culture, historically courts of justice have not always been a monopoly of the Nation-State, in the past churches and merchant guildes have been determinant in the formation of certain areas of laws (— I do not wish to be pedantic here, on the other hand the history of judicial institutions is a domain rarely studied).
I’ll shrug on your pun on “Be a man, not a kid, only kids go to cry in a court”, my virility is sufficiently fine to not have reticence in the need to not go to court of justice to prove I’m a “real” man. More sincerely, I don’t know you though might I observe that pointing out that courts are reserved for “kids" is more symptomatic of the lack of comprehension of the daily role played by court of justice in solving conflicts in a civilized way in modern democratic societies.
On your qualification that those issues are only “stupid shit”, I think this your right to use such terminology, like it’s my right to go to court if I think this “stupid shit” is sufficiently serious to deserve a judgement. Zooming out, I’ve technically contributing for years in the bitcoin open-source field, I have worked for or with many open-source organizations in this industry, I’ve seen some being setup and built under my eyes, so I’m more in the position of an “insider” to gauge that something is culturally broken and act in consequence.
So to conclude, I’m not convinced by your position, neither by what I understand as the expression of solving conflicts among professional and civilized adults in the bitcoin world.
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