I also believe some kind of governance is inevitable. The government systems I grew up with had their flaws but were not as fucked up as some people believe them to be. Of course, I am biased by the values instilled by my parents, but who isn't?

I also mostly steer away from this kind of discussion. I mostly read them and try to understand the opposite point of view. But I'm not well-versed in the technicalities of self-governing individuals, libertarianism, etc, but also not in the specifics of social democracy, a system I mostly believe in, so it's rather pointless to have discussions on these systems in written short format form on SN. Also, I usually only like to engage with people who appreciate the nuances of it all, i.e. if one is an absolutist without room for alternative thought, there is not much point entering a discussion and ending up getting called an idiot just for believing slightly different things. I did a few times and realized it wasn't worth my time or theirs.