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21 sats \ 9 replies \ @Murch 31 Jan \ on: Call for nodes reconfiguration: minrelaytxfee=0.00000001 bitcoin_Mining
I am not sure I see the point of doing this while miners apparently do not consider including transactions below the minimum transaction relay feerate of 1 ṩ/vB: we do see a bunch of transactions with feerates below 1 ṩ/vB bumbling around in mempools that accept them, but as far as I am aware, no miner has included any significant amount of them in blocks even if their blocks then were not full.
As long as there are no miners including them, you are just wasting bandwidth.
Miners are of tertiary importance here (if any). The setting is applied by node runners and affects nodes in the first place.
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The assumption that a transaction would have never got confirmed is incorrect.
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List of them: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transactions?s=time(desc)&q=fee(0..98),is_coinbase(false)#f=hash,block_id,input_count,output_count,time,output_total,output_total_usd,fee_usd,fee,is_coinbase
Example of such a transaction: https://blockchair.com/bitcoin/transaction/49a0efc983b19038cb5aa80008d7b9f7690dfb80de84a55f7aabce9d3137f2fa
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I asked for a block with transactions paying less than the minimum feerate at the tail end, because that would indicate that a miner has actually configured their block template building node with a lower minimum feerate.
Your example transaction has a fee of zero and is the first transaction after the coinbase in the block. That indicates that it was prioritized for inclusion, probably due to out-of-band payment. Blockspace being sold out-of-band does not support your claim.
If you want to convince me otherwise, you can show me a block that fulfills those criteria, especially zero fee transactions are not a good start, though.
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I think that the example proved that a "transaction paying less than minRelayTxFeerate" may be confirmed. I don't see what else may need to be proved.
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Your claim is that miners are considering transactions paying less than
minTxRelayFeerate. The transaction you showed was manually prioritized which indicates that more was paid for it. To support your claim, you should show evidence of a miner picking up transactions with sub-minimum feerates via their block template.I have explained this above already. Just rejecting my argument without showing why I’m wrong is not particularly convincing. You are either arguing in bad faith or you have a tenuous grasp of the context.